tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post6557726430708119368..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Jonathan Mayhew on the Divine Right of KingsBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-91911010107658003892009-03-11T16:10:00.000-06:002009-03-11T16:10:00.000-06:00??Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-81726667976007978052009-03-11T15:44:00.000-06:002009-03-11T15:44:00.000-06:00Yes, guilty as charged.Yes, guilty as charged.Lindsey Shumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536959819608584779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-86765903784624499902009-03-11T15:21:00.000-06:002009-03-11T15:21:00.000-06:00Yes. Nice to hear from you again, Lindsey. I hop...Yes. Nice to hear from you again, Lindsey. I hope Brian's explanation of my argument sits well with you, as Romans 13 seems to come up often around here, and after further review, you will find me not guilty of your charge.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-88527305916115853622009-03-11T13:23:00.000-06:002009-03-11T13:23:00.000-06:00Lindsey, I think Tom is simply echoing what John A...Lindsey, I think Tom is simply echoing what John Adams said about Mayhew's sermon. According to Adams, Mayhew's discourse on Romans 13 was very influential in helping to commence the American Revolution. Now, perhaps Adams was wrong. But it was Adams' view.Brian Tubbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412421076480479001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-57285266005062864112009-03-11T12:58:00.000-06:002009-03-11T12:58:00.000-06:00Yes, but as you are SOOOOOOOOOO fond of pointing o...Yes, but as you are SOOOOOOOOOO fond of pointing out, Tom, we cannot take the words of ONE person and apply them to EVERYONE. The door swings both ways here. I read your comments that constantly point out how we cannot take the words of Madison, Jefferson, Washington, etc and apply them to all the founders. You are guilty of doing the very same thing here.Lindsey Shumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536959819608584779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-83102253469999022242009-03-10T23:12:00.000-06:002009-03-10T23:12:00.000-06:00Thanks, Mr. Tubbs. I've read Mayhew's sermon seve...Thanks, Mr. Tubbs. I've read Mayhew's sermon several times in its entirety. What most people are unaware of is that it's often excerpted with a lot of the God stuff cut out!<BR/><BR/>At its heart, Mayhew argues for liberty on theological and scriptural grounds. Once strong theological arguments were made against the divine right of kings per Romans 13, the walls fell.<BR/><BR/>But what's important to realize is that the vast bulk of men in that era wanted to obey the Bible, and would not revolt without proper theological justification.<BR/><BR/>Our blogbrother Jonathan Rowe often argues that the Founding era believed that reason took precedence over revelation, but the influence of Mayhew's pivotal sermon shows just the opposite: theology such as Mayhew's was the reconciliation of reason and revelation.<BR/><BR/>It wasn't philosophy [read here secular "Enlightenment" principles] or admittedly a straight literalistic reading of revelation [the Bible], that was the light of the American revolution. It was theology.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-7275398600559876572009-03-10T13:22:00.000-06:002009-03-10T13:22:00.000-06:00Thanks for this and for your longer post on the Am...Thanks for this and for your longer post on the American Revolution blog.<BR/><BR/>As I have noted elsewhere not every evangelical who comments on these threads comes off (in my eyes) as a good witness for the faith. But you do.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.com