tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post5158216158209989897..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Falling short of its promise -- Alf Mapp's The Faiths of Our Fathers: What America's Founder's Really BelievedBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-74517331018220131852008-12-18T13:13:00.000-07:002008-12-18T13:13:00.000-07:00I agree that Mapp sort of phoned this one in. Man...I agree that Mapp sort of phoned this one in. <BR/><BR/>Many parts of it read like a first draft.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-84098814819199435372008-12-18T12:44:00.000-07:002008-12-18T12:44:00.000-07:00.Re: Mapp's little book..Every once in a while, I ....<BR/>Re: Mapp's little book.<BR/>.<BR/>Every once in a while, I pick it up and read a few pages. I'm 3/4 of the way through Alexander Hamilton.<BR/>.<BR/>It's a lite read and I can't see how it was ever expected to be more than an historical sampler. As long as the reader isn't looking to do any serious study, it certainly gives one a pretty good idea of the variety of religious thought that is exemplified by the Founding Fathers. It is almost, if not entirely, an entertaining and fun book to read.<BR/>.<BR/><BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-37218504264687739312008-12-18T12:32:00.000-07:002008-12-18T12:32:00.000-07:00Hi Pinky, I quoted the passage in question to show...Hi Pinky, <BR/><BR/>I quoted the passage in question to show that Mapp confuses the Puritans with the Pilgrims. It was the Separatist Pilgrims who endured a "self-imposed exile in Holland," and not the Puritans, as Mapp has it. <BR/><BR/>It doesn't bother me much that people frequently confuse the Puritans and the Pilgrims. But it's a mistake that someone like Mapp, in writing a book on American intellectual history, really should not make. <BR/><BR/>By the way - - here's a link to Gregg Frazer's review of Mapp's book (which I have to acknowledge is more sophisticated than my own):<BR/> http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.394/pub_detail.asp <BR/><BR/>And here's a link to Jon Rowe's comments on Frazer's review:<BR/><BR/>http://jonrowe.blogspot.com/2005/01/faith-of-our-founders-over-at.html<BR/><BR/>I probably should have googled these things before writing and posting my own review. <BR/><BR/>EricEric Alan Isaacsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14144268111747323445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-66465203169501273412008-12-18T05:55:00.000-07:002008-12-18T05:55:00.000-07:00.It is more an introductory book into the question....<BR/>It is more an introductory book into the questions about America's Founding Fathers and about what they believed. A good book for anyone from the seventh grade on up.<BR/>.<BR/>Quoting Eric's post, <I>"At home in England and during their self-imposed exile in Holland, the Puritans had been rebels. But in Massachusetts they had built their own society, which they were confident was ordained by God." (p. 26). In fact, the Puritans who would dominate the government of Massachusetts came direct from England.</I> <BR/>.<BR/>I'm not sure of your point here, Eric; but, Mapp isn't saying that the Puritans came directly from any place other than England.<BR/>.<BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.com