tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post3023333916664529684..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Why Does Satan Have the Best Music?Brad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-55641727769399358782016-02-12T07:50:06.766-07:002016-02-12T07:50:06.766-07:00Mrs. W:
Thanks for this. Yes, a pattern I observe...Mrs. W:<br /><br />Thanks for this. Yes, a pattern I observe on great artists is that their brains tend to be of peculiar structure. They are likelier subject to demons (or secular term "mental illness"), addiction, alternative sexual orientations and sexual wildness (or perhaps they sublimate their peculiar sexual longings), and seek peace in things like religious sentiments.<br /><br />Thomas Kincaide for instance. <br /><br />Though Bach seemed straight as an arrow. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-52364306385640592542016-02-11T12:45:39.117-07:002016-02-11T12:45:39.117-07:00...and a bit about Mozart’s Catholicism. This is f......and a bit about Mozart’s Catholicism. This is from Wikkepedia, but it seems to have been well researched and unchallenged. <br /><br />He seems to have been a practicing Catholic. <br /><br /><br />"Mozart himself believed in regular religious Catholic practices and the need for the sacraments of the church. He was nevertheless less harsh than his father with fasting. He did not consider eating meat on fast days as a great sin but charged that "for me fasting means holding back eating less than usual".[21]<br /><br />In his letter he wrote his father (Mannheim, 2 February 1778):<br /><br />I have always had God before my eyes, ... I know myself, and I have such a sense of religion that I shall never do anything which I would not do before the whole world; but I am alarmed at the very thoughts of being in the society of people, during my journey, whose mode of thinking is so entirely different from mine (and from that of all good people). But of course they must do as they please. I have no heart to travel with them, nor could I enjoy one pleasant hour, nor know what to talk about; for, in short, I have no great confidence in them. Friends who have no religion cannot be long our friends.[22][23]”<br /><br />Of course he could have said this to please his father. It is also possible that his “bad boy” image has obscured the fact of his intense personal faith. People are hardly ever one or the other - either perfectly pious or totally given over to indulgences of the flesh. He could not have written the great amount of music he wrote in his short life if he had been totally given to debauchery. He had his interesting character flaws, that’s for sure. <br /><br />I don’t think he could not have shown such devotion in his religious works if he hadn’t had a strong faith himself. Listen to his Ave verum corpus or his Magnificat or his Requiem - especially the Lacrimosa, which does make me cry - and maybe you will see what I mean. <br /><br />Here’s further explanation of his religious feelings.<br /><br /><br />"Trying to characterize Mozart's religious beliefs, Halliwell writes, "An educated guess at the totality of Mozart's beliefs based on reconciling the motley evidence would probably posit a broad belief in Christianity, but impatience with many of the requirements of the Catholic church."[20] MacIntyre suggests that Mozart "seems to have been a freethinking Catholic with a private relationship to God."[24]”<br /><br /><br />The article explains how Mozart could have been both a faithful Catholic and a Freemason. <br /><br />"Freemasonry was banned by the Catholic Church in a Papal Bull entitled In eminenti apostolatus issued by Pope Clement XII on 28 April 1738. The ban, however, "was published and came into force only in the Papal States, Spain, Portugal, and Poland."[14] It was not promulgated in Austria, where Mozart lived, until 1792 (after Mozart's death). Hence, although the Catholic Church's opposition to Freemasonry would eventually become known in Austria, during Mozart's lifetime "a good Catholic could perfectly well become a Mason," and it is clear that Mozart saw no conflict between these two allegiances.[15]”<br /><br />So, anyway. There have been various theories about what actually took Mozart’s life at such a young age - only 35. The man wasn’t a Puritan. <br /><br />https://www.themedicalbag.com/story/wolfgang-amadeus-mozart<br /><br />Okay, so I am going to make a tacky connection to Elvis. If someone looks only at a person’s behavior in some areas of their life, one may miss what really drives them, what really inspires them to greatness. Sometimes you have to look deeper to see that. You may have to look past what is on the surface to see who they really are. <br /><br />I had always loved Mozart, but I came to appreciate Elvis much later in life. <br /><br />Anyway, that’s kind of weird to talk about Mozart and Elvis in the same sentence. I’m probably wrong. It’s a heart thing, I guess. <br />Mrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-91741722793851394652016-02-10T23:50:33.166-07:002016-02-10T23:50:33.166-07:00Tom Van Dyke said...
Who's that wanker? Listen...Tom Van Dyke said...<br />Who's that wanker? Listen to Bach's Mass in B Minor. Christianity created Western Civilization as we know it. There was no such thing as "secular.” >>>>>><br /><br />Bach didn’t split his devotion to God into sacred and secular. <br /><br /><br />“Greatest multiplicity in the frame- work of the greatest order”: Is not the immense work of Johann Sebastian Bach’s life permeated by this principle?<br />Bach wrote all of his works “to God alone the glory,” Soli Deo Gloria, hundreds of spiritual and secular Lieder, cantatas, motets, the powerful Passions and the large fugal works, and not least the later work with the royal theme “Musical Offering” as a “painful and tedious work.” Each of his works attests to the attempt to generate the largest multiplicity in a unity, a perfection, to create the greatest effect by employment of the simplest means. “<br />- From Bach’s Musical Revolution<br /><br />http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2000/eirv27n25-20000623/eirv27n25-20000623_029-bachs_musical_revolution.pdf<br /><br />It is said that Bach prayed for God’s help every time he sat down to write music, and then the music flowed from his soul. <br /><br />“Music is an agreeable harmony for the honor of God and the permissible delights of the soul.” <br />― Johann Sebastian Bach<br /><br />"Thus o'er my pipe, in contemplation<br />Of such things, I can constantly<br />Indulge in fruitful meditation,<br />And so, puffing contentedly,<br />On land, on sea, at home, abroad,<br />I smoke my pipe and worship God.”<br />- Edifying Thoughts of a Tobacco Smoker<br /> from the Second Little Clavier Book<br />for Anna Magdalena Bach<br /><br />http://www2.nau.edu/tas3/wtc/metaphor.htmlMrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-71521187157002103742016-02-10T02:11:56.243-07:002016-02-10T02:11:56.243-07:00Ms. Webfoot: on Mr. Andrews--Sorry the style obscu...Ms. Webfoot: on Mr. Andrews--Sorry the style obscured the substance. Even the fundies have jettisoned the overhead projector for powerpoint.<br /><br />But speaking of style over substance, are you sure Elvis is the king of rock and roll? Or is he only a pretender. He never wrote any songs; he could play a guitar, but mostly just wore one around his neck as redneck bling while he did his Pentecostal prancing.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Chuck Berry hopped up country music, wrote adolescent lyrics about love, cars, school, etc. and made the guitar the preeminent music instrument of rock and roll.<br /><br />John Lennon said that "If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it Chuck Berry."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-28001881966320921542016-02-09T15:07:51.355-07:002016-02-09T15:07:51.355-07:00Mrs. W.
Thanks. I seemed to remember some religio...Mrs. W.<br /><br />Thanks. I seemed to remember some religious purists being down on the Magic Flute and its Freemasonic elements. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-40857097500708587872016-02-09T15:06:48.883-07:002016-02-09T15:06:48.883-07:00Izzard was brilliant as usual. I didn't think ...Izzard was brilliant as usual. I didn't think his comedy took an interest in such a topic. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-62188202864266203142016-02-09T00:52:30.435-07:002016-02-09T00:52:30.435-07:00Jonathan Rowe:
Was Mozart any kind of serious Cath...Jonathan Rowe:<br />Was Mozart any kind of serious Catholic?>>><br /><br />Well, I would have to go back and research it - which I probably won’t do - but my statement was based on what I remember of a mini series on the life of Mozart that the Rai -Radiotelevisione italiana S.p.A. - did some years back. <br /><br />Mozart claimed to be the great Catholic composer, while Bach was the Protestant. <br /><br />Did he go to Mass every Sunday or any Sunday? That I can’t tell you. He very much identified himself as Catholic, and he was serious about it. <br /><br />His Church music was amazing. Remember, his last - and in many ways greatest, yet unfinished - work was his Requiem. He was only 35 when he died, as I am sure you know.Mrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-53818480584814518072016-02-08T17:04:27.897-07:002016-02-08T17:04:27.897-07:00Blogger Jonathan Rowe said...
The black church in ...<i>Blogger Jonathan Rowe said...<br />The black church in the modern era has had much better music than the white church. Instead of having to pull the Bach card, we could have found a contemporary artist artist from the black church to kick Newdow's ass.</i><br /><br />Exc point. Ever see this one from Eddie Izzard on Christian singing?<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEuY4BUMfMTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-75511274811667066752016-02-08T15:05:51.198-07:002016-02-08T15:05:51.198-07:00LOl. That's almost as good as the I V Vi IV ra...LOl. That's almost as good as the I V Vi IV rant.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ<br /><br />He even sneaked some of those in even though Pachelbel's is I V Vi Iii ....<br /><br />Can't copyright chord progressions. But as my pre-Berklee (classical) guitar professor taught me, chord progressions often "imply" certain melodies. <br /><br />Or as Berklee colleague who is now a professor at Berkley once noted to me, the future of rock n' roll is still I IV V and the like, but just new ways of "arranging" it. What is a (unique copyright-able) melody against a (non-copyright-able) chord structure but a novel voicing or arrangement? <br />Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-32988631136697992502016-02-08T14:41:35.259-07:002016-02-08T14:41:35.259-07:00Jimmyraybob, you may enjoy this. It could be an ex...Jimmyraybob, you may enjoy this. It could be an example of how the “devil” stole his ideas from the Church. It’s the Pachelbel Rant. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM<br /><br />Don’t worry, Jimmyraybob, we’re in the year of grace. <br /><br />Of course, the phrase about the devil having all the good music originates from the 19th Century. <br /><br /><br />Mrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-2800314062466463442016-02-08T14:24:48.518-07:002016-02-08T14:24:48.518-07:00He also does Flight of the Bumblebee in this one a...He also does Flight of the Bumblebee in this one and lets minimalist Joe Walsh solo some slow notes over the fast moving background. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZT1tWVQwCkJonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-49434267378051144672016-02-08T14:19:11.612-07:002016-02-08T14:19:11.612-07:00I love Wakeman & Emerson. I'm not much int...I love Wakeman & Emerson. I'm not much into "camp" (the kinds of classical music and opera I like are the non-campy kinds; so I'm not much of a fan of musical theater). <br /><br />But I didn't appreciate how awesome Bernstein's "America" is until I heard Keith Emerson's rocked out version of it. He mixes it with Dave Brubecks Blue Rondo (though Emerson rewrote it so it would play in 4/4) and in some performances Bach's Toccata & Fugue in D minor. And improves over all of it and makes it work. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-3126319654792749402016-02-08T09:03:09.372-07:002016-02-08T09:03:09.372-07:00Upon further review, I probably should have added ...Upon further review, I probably should have added a few happy faces along the way to better set the tone.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-25613135876611663882016-02-08T08:58:25.974-07:002016-02-08T08:58:25.974-07:00Mrs. Webfoot,
As has been amply demonstrated, I ...Mrs. Webfoot, <br /><br />As has been amply demonstrated, I am a simple-minded, poor bastard fuck, puppet of the leftist conspiracy. However, my rebuttal to a specific posted comment was about the specific claim that diatonic music had religious origins and was essentially appropriated from the Church by modern music. My counterclaim was that, in the West, musicology had a much more ancient origin and that music has been and is a continuous process of synthesis and reinvention. I think that we can all see my commie liberal underpants showing here. <br /><br />I fully understand the religious inspirations inherent in Medieval to modern music, art and literature. The artists throughout time have had many inspirations and have contributed to many new forms of expression and changes in direction. Any poor fool trained in the secular leftist gulags known collectively as the “Academy”, where they use books and such, knows, at least at a survey level, that the science of music in the west goes back to the Greeks. Especially if the poor fuck loaded up heavily on the dark arts, also known as the ”Liberal Arts.”<br /><br />On a personal note, I am a fan of much of the religiously-inspired Classical and Baroque as well as some of the more earth bound and sometimes vulgar troubadour compositions and tavern songs (every time I hear the doors <i>Alabama Song</i>, a later invention, it gets me in a rollicking good mood). I would throw one of my favorites, Handel and, specifically, his Messiah into the mix of outstanding classical works that should be discussed and a work that I like to enjoy once or twice a year. And, speaking of Handel’s Messiah, I’m a fan of Christopher Hogwood and his work with the Academy of Ancient Music. So yes, I am completely devoid of music understanding and appreciation.<br /><br />And, influences on my early musical semi-career were Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson who brought a touch of the classical to the rock and roll which in itself brought a bit of the Gospel and blues into the mainstream. And, speaking of the devil and music perhaps the answer lies at the crossroads – that’s where they say that Robert Johnson met the devil himself.<br /><br />So, there it is. Apologies all around for my transgressions.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-54589646653159720692016-02-08T06:20:21.732-07:002016-02-08T06:20:21.732-07:00The black church in the modern era has had much be...The black church in the modern era has had much better music than the white church. Instead of having to pull the Bach card, we could have found a contemporary artist artist from the black church to kick Newdow's ass.<br /><br />This certainly does:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYgOE1w1d8g<br /><br />I was going to say in my above post I thought Mozart was too much of a wild child to be a serious Catholic. But sometimes the wildest of children (if you research Preston, he certainly was) are quite devout and inspired musically. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-21361807360865293842016-02-08T06:12:35.182-07:002016-02-08T06:12:35.182-07:00I know Bach was a devout Lutheran who ironically w...I know Bach was a devout Lutheran who ironically wrote all this great music for the Catholic Church as a hired gun.<br /><br />Was Mozart any kind of serious Catholic? Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-18681403096023683182016-02-08T00:21:08.369-07:002016-02-08T00:21:08.369-07:00Actually, Black Gospel music is the fountainhead o...Actually, Black Gospel music is the fountainhead of jazz.<br /><br /> It is a well known fact that the King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley, was first a Gospel singer. He learned his moves from Pentecostals. <br /><br />I was never a huge fan of Elvis - until I heard some of his Gospel music. <br /><br />The Mass in b minor is considered to be the greatest piece of music ever written - or at least tied for greatest. <br /><br />Mozart considered himself to be a Catholic composer, while Bach was the Lutheran. <br /><br />I mean, how can the history of Western music be re-written to downplay the influence of the Church? <br /><br />It makes little sense.Why do that?<br /><br />BTW, I have never heard of “enharmonic” being a “phenomenon.” It’s a way that all 12 major and minor keys can be used and musicians able to play in tune with one another. String players easily make a slight difference of pitch between, say, a G# and an Ab, but not all instruments are willing to adjust every note to adapt to the idiosyncrasies of the string players. Imagine trying to play in 6 flats, for example. Every note would sound out of tune if that “phenomenon” were observed. <br /><br />I mean, if you look at a lot of music from the Baroque period, it is in the key of D, G. C and sometimes F. Without the tempered scale, if you add too many sharps or flats, the intonation gets impossible. Then you have brass instruments without valves, and woodwinds with few keys. A tuning and technical nightmare. <br /><br />So, the well tempered scale was a kind of compromise and opened up many more musical possibilities. It was revolutionary. it went along with the development of keyboard instruments. That and harmony itself where the tritone became indispensable. <br /><br />Then things like valves and keys were added to wind instruments, making it more practical for playing in any key. <br /><br />I mean, there was nothing like that before Bach did his great masterpiece of the Well Tempered Clavier. It was a way to prove that all 12 major and 12 minor scales could used in real playing, not just in theory. <br /><br />It’s all pretty cool. The Greeks never did anything like that, though it was Pythagorus who invented the diatonic scale. The fixed notes were the 1st, 5th, and octave. Then there were notes in between to make up the 8 notes of the scale. The in between notes weren’t all that fixed I understand. It’s been awhile since I’ve read up on this. The 1 - 5 - 8 pattern is based on the natural overtone series - which is another reason why pre-well tempered days intonation was a bear. <br /><br />Little compromises are made, but it works quite well. Then, each instrument has its own idiosyncrasies. Anyway...It’s amazing that anyone can play in conjuno with anyone else. :-)<br /><br />So, I have never heard the importance of the well tempered scale downplayed. Later Chopin also did a 12 and 12 thing with his preludes. There were others as well. Maybe Scriabin? Can’t remember. <br /><br />Anyway, the idea that the well tempered scale was no big deal or nothing new is pretty absurd. <br /><br /><br />Blogger The Rational Right said...<br />Calm down, Tom. Rowe made a joke and I piggybacked off of it with a somewhat humorous look at fundamentalists and music. They are in the world but not of it. Yet they mimic it.>>>><br /><br />Actually, the video showed a former fundamentalist aping a fundamentalist style conference to promote his anti Christian message. It was bizarre. <br /><br />All he needed was an overhead projector and it would have been a perfect mimic. So, it was pretty funny, but maybe not in the way you meant it to be. Mrs. Webfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688935118585583682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-2955489058693697812016-02-07T22:21:28.569-07:002016-02-07T22:21:28.569-07:00jimmiraybob said...
"All you've done is o...<i> jimmiraybob said...<br />"All you've done is once again illustrate the left-wing project to deny our religious heritage."<br /><br />Of course, I have done no such thing.</i><br /><br />Oh, of course you have and do and do. We permit you to bore our readership because you illustrate the problem of the secular left. You are a victim, you poor pool. You know nothing except what you've been told.<br /><br />http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/15545-gramscis-grand-plan<br /><br />How much is your student debt? <br /><br />Now you are nothing more than an argumentative an internet fraud, Google-deep at best, signifying nothing except defending your maleduction. <br /><br />You clearly know nothing about music, not as a player, not as musicologist, not someone who can tell the difference between Michael Newdow and Bach.<br /><br />You're worse than an idiot. Even an idiot can easily tell the difference. You are a victim of your education. You poor bastard. You're not only miserable, you're a misery. <br /><br />You have no idea about how Bach's Mass in B Minor came to be. You know nothing except what you just pulled of Google.<br /><br />You're not only miserable personally, you wish to evangelically inflict your misery on everyone else, you poor fuck, you. Our dear know-it-all "jimmiraybob," and to all those here gathered, if you listen but do not hear, you waste not just our time but your own.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F7TVM8m95Y<br /><br /><br /><br />Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-66084520179680564482016-02-07T20:45:39.728-07:002016-02-07T20:45:39.728-07:00"All you've done is once again illustrate...<i>"All you've done is once again illustrate the left-wing project to deny our religious heritage."</i><br /><br />Of course, I have done no such thing. Why do you think that trying to inflate that heritage using false claims is a worthwhile pursuit? The point is that your claim, using dubious sources, that "virtually all modern music...has been appropriated from its [Christian] religious origins" Is. Not. An. Actual. Historic. Truth. That is all.<br /><br />Carry on.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-90989527735720123442016-02-07T18:05:35.021-07:002016-02-07T18:05:35.021-07:00Beautiful song, Jonathan . . the Bach, that is.Beautiful song, Jonathan . . the Bach, that is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-38504068005195818232016-02-07T15:07:29.913-07:002016-02-07T15:07:29.913-07:00The fundamentals are linked above for the discerni...The fundamentals are linked above for the discerning reader. The topic was<br /><br /><br />Saturday, February 6, 2016<br />Why Does Satan Have the Best Music?<br /><br />which was shown to be worth a re=examination. All you've done is once again illustrate the left-wing project to deny our religious heritage. You have no point, no thesis; you simply bite the ankles of the actual historical truth.<br /><br />I'm happy to use your head as a soapbox to stand on for the edification of our real readers. ;-)Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-37338892047231540852016-02-07T14:49:33.422-07:002016-02-07T14:49:33.422-07:00Some argue for reasons.
It doesn't matter wha...<i>Some argue for reasons.</i><br /><br />It doesn't matter what the reasons if the fundamentals of the argument aren't sound. jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-63421939838924050612016-02-07T14:45:48.635-07:002016-02-07T14:45:48.635-07:00Interesting.
From the cited article: "Lehman...Interesting.<br /><br />From the cited article: <i>"Lehman states that in the Baroque period the normal amount of tempering a fifth is 1/6th of a <b>Pythagorean</b> comma, which, he believes, is represented in the squiggle by the convoluted spiral. He interprets the double-spiraled loops to represent the tempering of 1/12th of a <b>Pythagorean</b> comma, and the simple loops to indicate pure fifths. He then devises a temperament he believes to be the one used by Bach, and which, according to Lehman, brings out qualities of Bach’s composition that are hidden in equal temperament."</i><br /><br />Sounds like variation on an ancient Greek idea. <br /><br /><br />From the cited article: <i>"O’Donnell mentions the E-flat/D-sharp Prelude and Fugue, which, curiously, is the only piece in the collection that refers directly to the <b>enharmonic phenomenon</b>."</i><br /><br />To take it home once again:<br /><br />“Aristoxenus [ca. 4th century BCE] describes the structure of his precursor to the enharmonic scale only to demonstrate the process of invention. Thus, both accounts state that the enharmonic genus is younger and superior to the diatonic and chromatic …(1)”<br /><br />This is just to demonstrate that musical development and invention, diatonic or otherwise, was not originated within the Church by Christianity during the Renaissance. And, modern music does not appropriate from the church but participates in a long chain of musical reinvention with fundamental roots before Jesus walked the Levant.<br /><br />Much the same can be said of architecture and art.<br /><br />1) Sophie Gibson, 2005. Aristoxenus of Tarentum and the Birth of Musicology. Routledge. 263 pages.<br /><br /><br />jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-26290178062437690092016-02-07T13:49:48.556-07:002016-02-07T13:49:48.556-07:000. It's not like you really have any idea what...0. It's not like you really have any idea what you're cutting and pasting. <br /><br />http://www.juilliard.edu/journal/ongoing-quest-bachs-temperament<br /><br />Some argue for reasons. Others simply argue.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-5225728271265447562016-02-07T13:38:10.638-07:002016-02-07T13:38:10.638-07:00TVD - “’Something else that has been appropriated ...TVD - “<i>’Something else that has been appropriated from its religious origins: diatonic music — that is, virtually all modern music.’”</i><br /><br />However, others, you know, scholars, may disagree.<br /><br />“<i>We owe the concept of scale and temperament to the ancient Greeks. About the origin of the diatonic scale, the ancient Greek music theoretician, Aristoxenus of Tarantum (fourth century B.C.), wrote: </i><br /><br />“<i>’We can establish that the diatonic is the first (proton) and the oldest (presbyteron); this is the type that the human voice naturally finds" (Harmonic Elements I, cited by Haik-Vantoura in her Les 150 Psaumes dans leurs melodies antiques, p. T-51).’” </i><br /><br />http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory25.htm<br /><br />Or, just google for additional citations. <br /><br />What percentage am I up to now?<br />jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.com