tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post301441054676299368..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Warren Throckmorton on David Barton and UnitarianismBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-70528872700485464952011-09-20T13:24:15.369-06:002011-09-20T13:24:15.369-06:00.
After most of it is said and done, Barton is a p....<br />After most of it is said and done, Barton is a political activist He was head of the Republican Party in Texas--that's almost as radical as the far right can get.<br />.<br />As such, it is in his interest to bring as many people in under the Big Tent of Politics as he can squeeze in. He is a zealot. He's more than apt to include almost anyone who will vote Republican given the chance.<br />.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-91674070056343796312011-09-18T06:09:04.208-06:002011-09-18T06:09:04.208-06:00Well as far as I'm concerned with Barton...I&#...Well as far as I'm concerned with Barton...I'm driven by irony and consistency. So I like what I see. I like what he is doing in intimating that Glenn Beck and theological unitarians are "Christians" and will not attack him for it (though I will hold his feet to the fire and to make sure he represents things accurately which in terming them "evangelicals" I'm not sure he is); but I also like the reaction among the evangelicals who are now trying to distance themselves from him.<br /><br />If Barton converted to Mormonism....Now that would make my day.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-78187311094160283832011-09-17T22:29:45.373-06:002011-09-17T22:29:45.373-06:00It is good to see more Christians taking the faith...<i>It is good to see more Christians taking the faith back.<br /><br /><br />---Great point.</i><br /><br />This is a little weird coming from 2 people neither of whom I take to be subscribers to Christianity, orthodox or otherwise.<br /><br />As in, gee, it's really good to see the Sunnis theologically fighting back against the Sufis, which isn't real Islam atall.<br /><br />Usually, those without a dog in the fight favor a mild ecumenicalism, as in, stop the theological niggling, can't we all get along?<br /><br />That some sects are splitting over homosexuality, which is explicitly condemned in the Bible, would hardly elicit the response, it's good to see more Christians taking the faith back.<br /><br />If one chooses to deconstruct David Barton the person and public figure, it's not unfair to say that as a conservative-GOP activist, his interest is definitely in an ecumenical smoothing-over of differences.<br /><br />This of course denies him any possibility that he's saying what he actually believes, or that his theologico-political thesis is true.<br /><br />I personally share it; the unitarian Christians of the founding era believed in the Bible as Divine writ; by contrast, 2011's successor church, Unitarian Universalism, does not. [Theism is even optional, let alone the Bible.] And I'm not ready to brand the non-creedal Stone-Campbell movement, specifically the Disciples of Christ who hold Trinitarianism as optional, to be "non-Christian." [Just as I wouldn't brand denominations that have theologically worked their way toward a toleration of homosexuality or ordaining female bishops as "non-Christian."]<br /><br />Certainly Mormonism and many of the "American" sects with latter-day prophets [Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy] present a stretching of the envelope. Jon notes well here the Jehovah's Witnesses as well, another theologically problematic group. But Christian Scientists* have Christian in their name, and that's close enough for theologico-political rock'n'roll.<br /><br />I have no more opinion on them than I do on Sufism. Looks Muslim enough to me. If they want to squabble about it, that's their business.<br /><br />____________<br /><br />* Wiki: "Christian Science differs from conventional Abrahamic theology as it regards God as both Father and Mother. This does not refer to any anthropomorphic characteristics, but to a concept of God that has qualities traditionally considered feminine (gentleness, compassion, nurturing and so on) and qualities traditionally considered masculine (strength, support, protection etc.). According to Christian Science, every person in their true spiritual selfhood as created in God's image or as God's reflection, embodies these qualities as well.<br />While some Christian Science teachings are unorthodox from the point of view of conventional Christian theology (as in the rejection of substitutionary atonement and of Hell as a place of eternal punishment), others are orthodox (acceptance of the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection of Jesus). Christian Science is presented as a resurgence of primitive Christianity as a demonstrable scientific system."Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-909748022624364252011-09-17T14:31:52.614-06:002011-09-17T14:31:52.614-06:00Great point.Great point.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-49262279106497763772011-09-17T11:18:33.218-06:002011-09-17T11:18:33.218-06:00I am starting to see some consistency in Barton’s ...<i>I am starting to see some consistency in Barton’s understanding of Christian minimums.</i> <br /><br />As has been said so many times, Barton is a political activist. His interest is in building as large a political coalition-constituency as possible. A too narrow definition of "Christian" minimizes his efforts to maximize his mailing list.<br /><br />It is good to see more Christians taking the faith back.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.com