tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post2760706535156486403..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: American Atonement, Part IBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-70143861893099943522009-01-22T19:39:00.000-07:002009-01-22T19:39:00.000-07:00Jasper Adams.http://americancreation.blogspot.com/...Jasper Adams.<BR/><BR/>http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2008/12/whither-christianity-in-usa.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-79650219991271157232009-01-22T18:25:00.000-07:002009-01-22T18:25:00.000-07:00From what I know of Jasper Adams, he seems to shar...From what I know of Jasper Adams, he seems to share a lot of the same beliefs as other religious figures of his day. After all, he did live during the time of the "Second Great Awakening," which did redefine a lot of ideas on American Providentialism. Nicholas Guyatt's book, <EM>Providence and the Invention of the United States</EM> actually addresses this quite a bit.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you to a point. The argument can go back a lot further. However, it is my belief that during the 60s and 70s America saw the merging of conservative Christianity with politics (the Moral majority for example). I hope to demonstrate how this movement spawned the "Christian Nation" movement, and how it can be seen as an imagined community. <BR/><BR/>It might be a stretch, so this is subject to change. Please feel free to "thrash" me.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-27027752519889996472009-01-22T18:19:00.000-07:002009-01-22T18:19:00.000-07:00Thanks for the comments, Kristo. In all sincerity...Thanks for the comments, Kristo. In all sincerity they really do help me to reassess how I will go about this research project.<BR/><BR/>Question for ya. You state:<BR/><BR/><EM>"as a Christian Nationist, I regularly point out that the fouders disagreed with me, at least as for what counted as Christian. But they were, by their own standards, Christian Nationists."</EM><BR/><BR/>Does that not agree with my assertion that Christian Nation apologists claim to share the same values and beliefs of our founders? You may disagree on specifics, but you claim to share the same overall goal, which is the Christian foundation for America's establishment. <BR/><BR/>BTW Kristo, in no way am I planning to attack the "Christian Nation" argument. My goal is simply to explore its origins and evolution. But I really do appreciate what those of your persuasion have to say. I think it will be invaluable for my research.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-85139966551311064332009-01-22T18:16:00.000-07:002009-01-22T18:16:00.000-07:00Hi Brad!I just read one of your previous posts, wh...Hi Brad!<BR/><BR/>I just read one of your previous posts, where you hope to trace the origins of the "Christian Nation" movement to the 60s or 70s. Really?<BR/><BR/>Are you familiar with Jasper Adams? As a reader of this blog I suspect that you are. His sermon is essentially identical to Barton's "Myth of Separation". If I were to toss my two cents of Barton bashing onto the pyre, I would accuse him of plagiarism.<BR/><BR/>The Christian Nation movement is not as old as the nation, but it is as old as secular or anti-religious interpretations of the constitution. The Christian Nation movement was born wen its fundamental premiss was first challenged, in the 19th century.<BR/><BR/>Before then no movement was necessary. Nobody defends that which everyone takes for granted.<BR/><BR/>-Kristo.Kristo Miettinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11915769006991993189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-50218456374483067992009-01-22T17:59:00.000-07:002009-01-22T17:59:00.000-07:00Brad,Two comments (for now):One: "apologists of th...Brad,<BR/><BR/>Two comments (for now):<BR/><BR/>One: "apologists of the Christian Nation regularly point out that it is they who share the same values and beliefs as our founding fathers"? Really? No. We point out that the founders had a specific intent, *regardless* of whether they agreed with us. In fact, as a Christian Nationist, I regularly point out that the fouders disagreed with me, at least as for what counted as Christian. But they were, by their own standards, Christian Nationists.<BR/><BR/>Two: "But why get so hung up on America's founding history? After all, the history of the United States spans across two centuries and has seen a number of dramatic religious moments." Simple. Interpretation of the constitution, especially the first amendment.<BR/><BR/>-Kristo.Kristo Miettinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11915769006991993189noreply@blogger.com