tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post1532637428817179428..comments2024-03-27T18:18:11.525-06:00Comments on American Creation: Newdow at the State LevelBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-5407815977346006142012-11-03T17:36:44.251-06:002012-11-03T17:36:44.251-06:00I asked too soon. I assume this the establishment...I asked too soon. I assume <a href="http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/files/2012/02/Pledge-Complaint-11-9-10.pdf" rel="nofollow">this the establishment clause case</a> you are referring to? I'll have to read through it when I have time.bpabbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17047791198702983998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-8778267508471557182012-11-03T17:33:46.944-06:002012-11-03T17:33:46.944-06:00I'm not familiar with the case you are referri...I'm not familiar with the case you are referring to. Did Newdow argue an establishment clause case against the Pledge+"Under God" in Massachusetts.bpabbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17047791198702983998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-81350054915628556972012-11-03T17:09:15.576-06:002012-11-03T17:09:15.576-06:00I believe the article was referring to the Massach...I believe the article was referring to the Massachusetts case, not the one to which you're referring.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-26396139284375357522012-11-03T17:06:05.848-06:002012-11-03T17:06:05.848-06:00Re: "They lost the first time going after the...Re: "They lost the first time going after the establishment clause."<br /><br />The court found that Newdow had no standing, correct? So although Newdow lost his case based upon the establishment clause, we don't know the court's opinion with regards to the establishment clause argument.bpabbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17047791198702983998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-61953944102884487592012-11-03T13:08:28.485-06:002012-11-03T13:08:28.485-06:00Obviously I wrote my first while you were writing ...Obviously I wrote my first while you were writing your second, Ben.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-40091071564434910332012-11-03T13:07:40.875-06:002012-11-03T13:07:40.875-06:00Neither, Ben. They lost the first time going afte...Neither, Ben. They lost the first time going after the establishment clause. Now they're attempting to use an equal protection clause in the state constitution.<br /><br />Considering this court created a right to gay marriage under the same clause, I'd say Newdow has a chance this time. "Equal protection" has had a great leveling effect on our institutions, making all things equal: if men can be women, irreligion is equal to religion.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-3128043653951463542012-11-03T13:06:04.055-06:002012-11-03T13:06:04.055-06:00Maybe I'm reading between the lines, but my im...Maybe I'm reading between the <a href="http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/11/01/pledge-of-allegiance-case-to-be-heard-by-massachusetts-supreme-judicial-court/" rel="nofollow">lines</a>, but my impression is that the case is about discrimination ... something along the lines of the non-religious are being singled out as non-patriots by asking them to opt-out or recite the pledge's religious content?<br /><br />That would make this a 14th amendment case, correct (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause#Discriminatory_intent_and_disparate_impact.3F" rel="nofollow">equal protection clause</a>) ?bpabbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17047791198702983998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-62719289016760971322012-11-03T10:55:12.132-06:002012-11-03T10:55:12.132-06:00Does anyone know if the case is based on the estab...Does anyone know if the case is based on the establishment clause or the free-exercise clause?bpabbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17047791198702983998noreply@blogger.com