tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post1186517572433016459..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Deism, as defined c. 1770Brad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-63646300973505071502013-08-03T13:57:09.055-06:002013-08-03T13:57:09.055-06:00I know; but for Frazer, it's more the Trinity ...<i>I know; but for Frazer, it's more the Trinity and other cognate doctrines derived from the ecumenical Trinitarian creeds to which the vast majority of the late 18th Cen. American Christian churches subscribed.<br /><br />Roman Catholics, to Dr. Frazer, are "Christians" for late 18th Cen. American history purposes, but not for his personal theological purposes (in that sense he agrees with Sproul).</i><br /><br />Mercy. Keep that in mind when you quote one clergyman against another.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-56828025889474440302013-08-03T09:32:10.198-06:002013-08-03T09:32:10.198-06:00I know; but for Frazer, it's more the Trinity ...I know; but for Frazer, it's more the Trinity and other cognate doctrines derived from the ecumenical Trinitarian creeds to which the vast majority of the late 18th Cen. American Christian churches subscribed.<br /><br />Roman Catholics, to Dr. Frazer, are "Christians" for late 18th Cen. American history purposes, but not for his personal theological purposes (in that sense he agrees with Sproul).Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-10562181637140718692013-08-03T09:23:32.963-06:002013-08-03T09:23:32.963-06:00"However, Voltaire reports that Bishop Gibson...<i>"However, Voltaire reports that Bishop Gibson effectively prevented Clarke's elevation to the see of Canterbury by pointing out that Clarke was indeed the most learned and honest man in the kingdom, but had one defect: he was not a Christian."<br /><br />http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/archives/spr2004/entries/clarke/#1</i><br /><br />Yes, the clergy definitely made those distinctions. That's their job. Normal people, not as much.<br /><br />Here's famous Presbyterian RC Sproul on why he didn't sign<br /><br />http://www.ligonier.org/blog/the-manhattan-declaration/<br /><br />Roman Catholics aren't Christian, you see. This is how these people think, Jon. Keep that in mind when our friend GF plays the "who is a Christian" card.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-88915666968968252612013-08-03T06:54:27.502-06:002013-08-03T06:54:27.502-06:00"However, Voltaire reports that Bishop Gibson..."However, Voltaire reports that Bishop Gibson effectively prevented Clarke's elevation to the see of Canterbury by pointing out that Clarke was indeed the most learned and honest man in the kingdom, but had one defect: he was not a Christian."<br /><br />http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/archives/spr2004/entries/clarke/#1Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-24101057979510289012013-08-02T18:59:49.262-06:002013-08-02T18:59:49.262-06:00Exc work, Magpie!
"Dr. Clarke" I reckon...Exc work, Magpie!<br /><br />"Dr. Clarke" I reckon is the brilliant<br /><br />Samuel Clarke (11 October 1675 – 17 May 1729) was an English philosopher and Anglican clergyman. He is considered the major British figure in philosophy between John Locke and George Berkeley.[1]<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Clarke<br /><br />Also pretty much considered a unitarian. However, if we're to read Clarke here as being critical/dismissive of deism, it indicates the spirit of the times, that unitarianism was the true Christianity, and certainly argues against lumping non-Trinitarianism and deism together, as a sort of "theistic rationalism."<br /><br />BTW, Clarke's metaphysics is in same neighborhood as Thomas Aquinas's. A question [a bleg] is the somewhat slippery term and concept of "providence." One can argue "providence" as the Deity's Master plan, which once put into motion, unfurls perfectly without further ado, and could conceivably be the Plan of the Blind Watchmaker.<br /><br />But "providence," as often used by the Founding generation, say GWash, is closer to the Pillar of Fire that led Israel out of Egypt, which he calls an "invisible hand," and the "wonder-working deity."<br /><br /> Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com