tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post927086876253502123..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: History of Religion and Politics in Presidential Elections: A RejoinderBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-57239505089764137472008-09-09T06:09:00.000-06:002008-09-09T06:09:00.000-06:00.I have the sense--maybe correctly so--that we sho....<BR/>I have the sense--maybe correctly so--that we should keep our mind on the Founding in all of these blogs and the ensuing commentaries.<BR/>.<BR/>But, the commentaries ARE the issues of the blogs.<BR/>.<BR/>So, let me ask the question of those who have more stake in this blog than yours truly. Is it appropriate here to address the issues as they impinge on us in present day society?<BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-44807113959410839552008-09-08T20:00:00.000-06:002008-09-08T20:00:00.000-06:00Well, Brad, I admit enjoying bagging on OFT, perha...Well, Brad, I admit enjoying bagging on OFT, perhaps to prove my independence since the casual observer might think I'm on his "side."<BR/><BR/>But mostly because he's ignorant, as he once again proves here. And OFT once called me a "revisionist" and <A HREF="http://ourfoundingtruth.blogspot.com/2007/07/jon-rowe-from-positive-liberty-and.html" REL="nofollow">lumped me in with the "liberal, progressive secularist agenda."</A><BR/><BR/>Does this sound like any Tom Van Dyke you know? Heh.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Isaacson, upon further review, I think I sounded harsh toward you. Please know if there's anything I enjoy more than bagging on OFT [and our former colleague U-Know-Who], it's calling John Adams a twit. I didn't read the McCulloch book or see the TV show, I've just read his writings for myself.<BR/><BR/>The next time I see him writing something interesting or incisive---except about his loss in 1800---it'll be the first. A total twit, the Chauncey Gardner or Al Gore of the Founding. <BR/><BR/>OK, OK---I withdraw that. Vice-president Gore couldn't even win ONE term following a successful two-term president!<BR/><BR/>;-[D>Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-35447443308600737772008-09-08T15:21:00.000-06:002008-09-08T15:21:00.000-06:00Yep...Our Founding Truth has YET AGAIN jumped off ...Yep...Our Founding Truth has YET AGAIN jumped off the boat and missed the ocean.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-9940100604777215042008-09-08T12:24:00.000-06:002008-09-08T12:24:00.000-06:00After reading your post there is nothing to do but...After reading your post there is nothing to do but agree “Religion is religion and it gets quite slippery and abstract. And that sir is why it is so important to have a personal relationship with the Lord God of the Holy Bible. There is to be no doubt the practice of religion is a tool of the devil and a divisive separator for America. Mr. Van Dyke your quote of Mr. Adams is quite appropriate. “Nothing is more dreaded than the National Government meddling with Religion”<BR/> <BR/>There should be no doubt that in America there is freedom of religion. This privilege is granted us by our Constitution. There comes to mind a question. There are many denominational differences in Christianity however; the common denominator is a relationship with Jesus Christ as one’s Lord and savior. Christianity is not a religion it is truly a way of life. All be it many claim to be Christian and are not. Religions may be theological, philosophical, anthropological, sociological, and psychological phenomenon of human kind and lack or question the concept of relationship. Religion is complicated to define as noted at http://www.religioustolerance.org this alone could be stated as a main reason the practice of religion does not work. <BR/><BR/>Of this you can be sure the Lord God of the Holy Bible is the one true God. Proverbs 3:5-6 says “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. But, in all your ways acknowledge him and he shall direct your path”<BR/><BR/>Relationship or religion the Choice is yours to make.<BR/>United we stand and divided we fall<BR/><BR/>American Voice 1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-9607668940548310822008-09-08T02:54:00.000-06:002008-09-08T02:54:00.000-06:00All Christians are men.All men are animals.All ani...All Christians are men.<BR/><BR/>All men are animals.<BR/><BR/>All animals are not squirrels.<BR/><BR/>All Christians, then, are not squirrels.<BR/><BR/>If we're going to write nonsense, then I want in on the fun, too. <BR/><BR/>OFT, Adams did not blame the Presbyterians. He blamed his own foolishness in letting himself be seen as politically aligned with them.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Isaacson, what John Adams "believed" is of little import. He was the George Herbert Walker Bush of his age, scoring a single term [but not a second] on the coattails of a great man.<BR/><BR/>An examination of his writings reveals a man who knew little or nothing of other religions yet declared them all equally true. A shallow man and a theological twit.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-64108985449864015162008-09-08T01:41:00.000-06:002008-09-08T01:41:00.000-06:00OFT is mistaken. John Adams's church was (and is)...OFT is mistaken. John Adams's church was (and is) Unitarian. My family paid a visit this summer.Eric Alan Isaacsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14144268111747323445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-30621226041106587052008-09-08T00:32:00.000-06:002008-09-08T00:32:00.000-06:00I have correspondence that presbyterians had noth...I have correspondence that presbyterians had nothing to do with Adams' proclamation, he had to blame someone for losing, and you see who. His writings are laced with rants against presbyterians.<BR/><BR/>Adams has to be wrong, because the state constitutions show ALL the Christians were trinitarians.<BR/><BR/>Adams lost because he couldn't unite the Federalists, the majority of, were Hamiltonians.<BR/><BR/>OFTOur Founding Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072993191810565535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-38072218998245496842008-09-07T19:12:00.000-06:002008-09-07T19:12:00.000-06:00That's some great stuff. Thanks for the info, TVD...That's some great stuff. Thanks for the info, TVD.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-74816594896750713612008-09-07T13:07:00.000-06:002008-09-07T13:07:00.000-06:00Brad, I was alerted to the Gazette thing when I ca...Brad, I was alerted to the <I>Gazette</I> thing when I caught Larson on C-SPAN hawking his book. It's in many credible places on the internet, including the <I>New Yorker</I> article to which I linked.<BR/><BR/>The Adams quote is from a letter to Benjamin Rush, June 12, 1812. <A HREF="http://www.positiveliberty.com/2006/07/john-adams-on-thanksgiving-proclamations.html" REL="nofollow">James H. Hutson via Jonathan Rowe</A>, but also ubiquitous on the 'net.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Johnson, as you can see, the inquiry between men of good will goes on just fine regardless of whining from any quarter. Forgive me if I don't get drawn into more of the same. I'm done with the subject, and I hope those here gathered are too, at least for now.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-29309803364271117262008-09-07T09:40:00.001-06:002008-09-07T09:40:00.001-06:00Tom: Where exactly did you find this? Is there a ...Tom: <BR/><BR/>Where exactly did you find this? Is there a source on the web? I'm not questioning its authenticity or anything like that. I would just like to have it for my personal collection. <BR/><BR/>Excellent stuff.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-20971188599247042582008-09-07T09:40:00.000-06:002008-09-07T09:40:00.000-06:00.O.K..Just follow the historic argument on religio....<BR/>O.K.<BR/>.<BR/>Just follow the historic argument on religion until you come to the place where Higher Criticism checks in. There is where the rubber hits the road. It has finally come to be about biblicism.<BR/>.<BR/>There's nothing wrong with religion being on the docket of American politics.<BR/>.<BR/>But, when will we be allowed to discuss the subject in an objective manner?<BR/>.<BR/>We will NOT be able to do that until the Religionists quit their whining about their always being under attack--so sanctimonious.<BR/>.<BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-83300895281164276492008-09-07T07:57:00.000-06:002008-09-07T07:57:00.000-06:00Um, if you say so, Brad. If you're referring to o...Um, if you say so, Brad. If you're referring to one of our regular contributors---not me---I'm not sure it's entirely fair to him, even in jest.<BR/><BR/>Regular readers of this blog know I usually argue from the Catholic perspective, and I'm sure they noticed the name of a certain pope on my list.<BR/><BR/>I have also added a well-known Protestant minister for balance.<BR/><BR/>Glad you enjoyed the post.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-29173418733644780862008-09-06T23:14:00.000-06:002008-09-06T23:14:00.000-06:00And for those that may think I am being serious......And for those that may think I am being serious...it's just sarcasm. All in good fun, right???Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-15740831966212358992008-09-06T23:13:00.000-06:002008-09-06T23:13:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.com