tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post8465035591998237844..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Fleming on "Christian America"Brad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-67356982890368783512010-01-04T16:32:45.405-07:002010-01-04T16:32:45.405-07:00Paul,
Where in the World did you get these article...Paul,<br />Where in the World did you get these articles? They sound very dubious to me...Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-72773548134845849132010-01-04T08:15:56.576-07:002010-01-04T08:15:56.576-07:00this is a great site about mystery religion! http:...this is a great site about mystery religion! http://www.moneyteachers.org/Egyptian%20Religions.htmpaulhttp://www.moneyteachers.org/Egyptian%20Religions.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-5478212509018650572009-12-30T22:56:08.401-07:002009-12-30T22:56:08.401-07:00Well Tom, instead of "poisoning the well"...Well Tom, instead of "poisoning the well" (the genetic fallacy) with where these sources come from, why don't we just deal with the substance, like, for instance, what you think is "incoherent" about Fleming's (or whoever else's) assertions.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-43325185783642795282009-12-30T17:23:59.565-07:002009-12-30T17:23:59.565-07:00Jon, these are advocates, not historians, and this...Jon, these are advocates, not historians, and this particular stripe of fringe theocrats dominates our mainpage far more than serious historians.<br /><br />If you wanna take on the "right," then do it with major leaguers like Dreisbach and Hamburger, not these mooks.<br /><br />Look, if you want to turn this into a freak show, I can't stop you. But as noted above, Fleming says this isn't a Christian nation on one hand, and speaks of preserving the "Christian West" on the other. He is incoherent. <br /><br />This is starting to resemble that other blog, with its obsession with the Orly Taitz types, to the exclusion of serious thinkers and to the detriment of serious discussion.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-55995234373236552812009-12-30T17:04:28.215-07:002009-12-30T17:04:28.215-07:00Paleoconservatives and how they approach history g...Paleoconservatives and how they approach history get equal opportunity here as well as any other ideology.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-41048538506915586672009-12-30T16:36:45.426-07:002009-12-30T16:36:45.426-07:00Actually, you're using fringe characters from ...Actually, you're using fringe characters from the right with theological agendas that have no place in historical inquiry.<br /><br />Fleming calls the First Amendment "hypocrisy." That's fine theologically, I guess, but it's more theocratic than anything. It's certainly not legitimate history.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-31248448282032178032009-12-30T16:28:37.715-07:002009-12-30T16:28:37.715-07:00Tom,
He's on our mainpage because, like it or...Tom,<br /><br />He's on our mainpage because, like it or not, Fleming is an important paleocon intellectual and I'm trying to feature the way as many different ideologies and sources view this issue as possible.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-19803367306951496892009-12-30T16:27:41.586-07:002009-12-30T16:27:41.586-07:00Brian,
Flemming describes himself as "hard r...Brian,<br /><br />Flemming describes himself as "hard right" and a paleoconservative.<br /><br />If you look at some of the positions he takes, you'd probably want him described in a way that distinguishes from ordinary "conservative."Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-84387514058158626602009-12-30T16:18:25.625-07:002009-12-30T16:18:25.625-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-30772338445679894752009-12-30T16:15:09.439-07:002009-12-30T16:15:09.439-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-77351338777005074332009-12-30T16:12:00.234-07:002009-12-30T16:12:00.234-07:00Brian, I think Jon's description is accurate, ...Brian, I think Jon's description is accurate, having taken a look at <br /><br />http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/<br /><br />Paleo-con isn't necessarily a pejorative, and Fleming's crowd is populated with folks like Paul Craig Roberts, who's so far to the right that lefties like counterpunch.org agree with him.<br /><br />http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10152004.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-8851039522006587012009-12-30T16:01:20.460-07:002009-12-30T16:01:20.460-07:00You passingly describe Fleming as "hard right...You passingly describe Fleming as "hard right" and "paleo conservative." First, how do you define "hard right"? Is that anyone to the right of you? :-) And, second, would Fleming describe himself as "paleo conservative" - keeping in mind that most voters have no idea what that means? :-)<br /><br />Couldn't you have simply described Fleming as "conservative"? Might that have been more fair?Brian Tubbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412421076480479001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-40819469192058470592009-12-30T15:26:21.374-07:002009-12-30T15:26:21.374-07:00Big deal. Fleming cites Washington, Jefferson, an...Big deal. Fleming cites Washington, Jefferson, and John Adams, the usual suspects, and ignores the other 100 Founders.<br /><br />Yet he himself writes:<br /><br />http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/?page_id=2<br /><br /><i>From the President<br /><br />For 30 years, The Rockford Institute has carried out its mission of defending and advancing “the principles of a free society.” Founded in the year of the nation’s bicentennial celebration, the Institute has worked to preserve the institutions of the Christian West: the family, the Church, and the rule of law; private property, free enterprise, and moral discipline; high standards of learning, art, and literature.</i><br /><br />What is America if not the leading light of the "Christian West?"<br /><br />Dr. Fleming's opinions are contradictory, and unauthoritative. I don't know what he's doing on our mainpage.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-56064549232845372222009-12-30T14:53:08.062-07:002009-12-30T14:53:08.062-07:00.
What gets politicians elected to any office is t....<br />What gets politicians elected to any office is their popularity with the voters in their particular district or state or, in the case of president, with the entire national electorate.<br />.<br />You know that and you also know that, when it looks like they might witn their race or once they are in office, they are approached by individuals with interests to pursue. Some have big money and others have great influence with the electorate. The rest is just plain common sense.<br /><br />A democracy is a system representing the voice of the electorate--whoever and whatever that is.<br /><br />But, our system has, pretty much, been taken over by special interests with great influence and deep pockets.<br /><br />Think about the influence an individual might have who controls a large private army that has infiltrated the highest levels of our government.<br />.<br />Go fish....Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-46267503076562733302009-12-30T14:38:11.461-07:002009-12-30T14:38:11.461-07:00I am no lawyer but I would say the federal money p...I am no lawyer but I would say the federal money probably creates an unhealthy dependence on the part of the religious institutions as it does on the state governments. Most federal money I have seen invested in programs gets wasted because there is an incentive to do so or not get more. <br /><br />I would also say that if the institution does not want to do what the entity that is giving it tells them to do with it and folllow that entities guidelines that the state or religious institution should not take the money.King of Irelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793825722325763371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-85991514500835977952009-12-30T14:16:31.613-07:002009-12-30T14:16:31.613-07:00This may be an ignorant question, but I think it i...This may be an ignorant question, but I think it is pertinent to the discussion...<br /><br />If Congress is to represent the people, who elect them, then isn't there a conflict of interests when it comes to state's that are bidding for federal monies so that their local economies might grow, then, States have a vested interest in the federal agenda, don't they?<br /><br />And what happens when a religious organization gets monies from the government, whether state or federal and it conflicts with religious conscience? Is it considered "establishment of religion" when these monies are used in religious organizations? What stipulations concerning minority rights are pertinent to religious organizations? Does the religious organization have exclusion from federal regulations concerning discrimination?<br /><br />If as religious organization claims their "conscience" as a trump card against discrimnating, then is there any "control" in Congress for such occurrances?Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.com