tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post7785665112003519487..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: The Search For Christian AmericaBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-93862205374822652012-03-08T19:28:02.460-07:002012-03-08T19:28:02.460-07:00JMS: Many thanks. Yes those are helpful lines.JMS: Many thanks. Yes those are helpful lines.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-16417292216197881762012-03-08T17:30:56.376-07:002012-03-08T17:30:56.376-07:00I thought the Search for Christian America was a g...I thought the Search for Christian America was a great book. As Dr. Rowe noted and as the book's authors explain in the Afterword, "this book was originally prepared early in the Reagan era when for many evangelicals, hopes were high for restoring America's Christian heritage." (p. 156) <br /><br />But those hopes (or delusions)were not realized, and the author's noted that, "starting with Christian principles is no guarantee of achieving Christian political results. Or, to put it in terms that theistic founders of this nation understood well, 'power corrupts'." <br /><br />Historians like Mark Noll or John Fea are such faithful historians in the sense that, as stated by Noll et. al. in reference to the "Christian nation" thesis they were rebutting, "we hope to correct the mistaken assumption that the American past offers an adequate Christian blueprint for our lives today. We must agree with Roger Williams that no nation since the coming of Christ has been uniquely God's chosen people" (pp. 24-25)JMSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-19141195233724771422012-03-03T08:29:52.472-07:002012-03-03T08:29:52.472-07:00JR - ThanksJR - Thanksjimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-21162059586851023552012-03-01T10:03:12.631-07:002012-03-01T10:03:12.631-07:00JRB:
Google Mark David Hall. The work we've ...JRB:<br /><br />Google Mark David Hall. The work we've reproduced here and his SSRN page.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-59248901698497791852012-03-01T10:02:40.129-07:002012-03-01T10:02:40.129-07:00Tom,
The book was more a response to the pre-Bart...Tom,<br /><br />The book was more a response to the pre-Barton Christian America sources.<br /><br />Best I can tell, "serious" orthodox theologians didn't take Marshall and Manuel's "The Light and the Glory" very seriously. But it seemed as though Francis Schaeffer (whom the authors considered a serious theoligan) did. It was more an attempt to win over the Francis Schaeffer types. (I still haven't read the whole correspondence between Schaeffer and the authors that Barry Hankins has documented; if/when it comes online I will).Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-80296694096435224952012-03-01T08:04:12.735-07:002012-03-01T08:04:12.735-07:00RE: Calvinist resistance theory query
I think the...RE: Calvinist resistance theory query<br /><br />I think the source that I had in mind is Brian Tierney's <i>The Idea of Natural Rights: Studies on Natural Rights, Natural Law, and Church Law 1150 1625</i>, which KOI did posts on. Are there others?jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-24702918339505159652012-03-01T07:09:47.337-07:002012-03-01T07:09:47.337-07:00Would appreciate any commentary on this book which...Would appreciate any commentary on this book which I should have read by now but keep getting distracted by all the other books that I should have read by now.<br /><br />OT - What would be the best book/source to get me started and up to speed on Calvinist resistance theory? I may have jotted down the answer before but can't find it.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-77988112660993593812012-02-29T21:13:10.150-07:002012-02-29T21:13:10.150-07:00I can't wrap my mind around the idea of a &quo...I can't wrap my mind around the idea of a "Christian historian." If I follow you here, Noll, Marsden & Hatch are speaking as theologians and maybe even pastors. I don't know if even David Barton goes that far.<br /><br />The book is 1989. Barton didn't start his act until 1989, yes? Was the Noll/Marsden book a hasty response?<br /><br />I don't get this whole thing, frankly.<br /><br /><i> if we mean by the word "Christian" a state of society reflecting the ideals presented in Scripture.</i><br /><br />That means ignoring "Christian thought": natural law, Aquinas and the Scholastics, and all of Calvinist resistance theory, including the English Civil Wars [esp the Puritan revolution].<br /><br />Is this any better a method than Barton's?Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-54798217077272787132012-02-28T16:34:04.894-07:002012-02-28T16:34:04.894-07:00.
What's contentious about it?
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It's high....<br />What's contentious about it?<br />.<br />It's high time we begin the process of questioning religion no matter what presentation is made of it.<br />.<br />Persons at this site seem to uphold the taboo against questioning religion and, speciafically, Christianity as though there is something against the Constitution in doing so. I have been scolded for just that point. Too bad. We should be able to expect more from professional academicians.<br />.<br />.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.com