tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post71312834160510544..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Jesus's Second Coming In the Jefferson BibleBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-36974461371201152742013-01-25T01:27:04.978-07:002013-01-25T01:27:04.978-07:00I always was a fan of Purgatory.I always was a fan of Purgatory.padraighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567721244433276365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-5090842304296827832013-01-12T14:19:33.582-07:002013-01-12T14:19:33.582-07:00One should never be satisfied with "normative...One should never be satisfied with "normative" theology unless he is looking only for something to reject. It is said that Hans Urs Von Balthasar was Pope John Paul II's favorite theologian.<br /><br />http://www.medaille.com/hope.htm<br /><br /><br /><br />Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-12482100059798277742013-01-12T09:15:42.542-07:002013-01-12T09:15:42.542-07:00It could be; though the view of theistic cosmic ju...It could be; though the view of theistic cosmic justice that resonates with my (if there is a God, God-given) conscience, though perhaps "Judeo-Christian" in some sense, may be outside of the orthodox Christian genus, of which Roman Catholicism is a species (the common ground that Catholics have with orthodox Anglicans, reformed Protestants, and capital O Orthodox churches).<br /><br />And it has to do with the "why do bad things happen to good people" question. Or perhaps, a better way of phrasing it is, why do some people UNJUSTLY suffer.<br /><br />I know the orthodox evangelical Protestant response is there are no good people. Maybe. But even if I am a not, relatively speaking a "good person" (compared to Jesus) it doesn't follow that I deserve every bit of suffering that I've got (and I know, I haven't gotten nearly as much as some folks; see below).<br /><br />The 5 year old victim of a molestation, in the ICU, in the war zone, in the concentration camp, did not, in a cosmically JUST sense, "deserve" this.<br /><br />They have unjustly suffered, and are thus owed. Now maybe they go on to do great evil which outweighs what they are owed.<br /><br />But I'm adamant on first principles. And that first principle is that folks DO unjustly suffer and thus get a credit in their cosmic bank account.<br /><br />As it were, Jesus was all credit. He was perfect and deserved none of what He got. And in THIS sense the folks who get what they don't deserve here on Earth have a connection with Jesus in that He too, along with them, unjustly suffered, but just to a much greater (arguably infinitely greater if He Is God) degree.<br /><br />Now that might be a starting point for to accept Christianity. But I'm not sure if this starting point accords with the orthodox genus.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-41612533263368154512013-01-11T21:39:44.062-07:002013-01-11T21:39:44.062-07:00What you describe seems closer to
http://www.begi...What you describe seems closer to<br /><br />http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-purgatory.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-20882526175063929422013-01-11T17:48:35.158-07:002013-01-11T17:48:35.158-07:00Well I would tell someone to go to Hell for as lon...Well I would tell someone to go to Hell for as long as they deserve. And that, to me, means a settling of cosmic accounts. You internalize and work off all the unjust pain you've caused others, minus the unjust suffering you experienced in this world. If someone molested OBL when he was a kid, he's got that on his (credit?) side (I'm not a numbers guy).Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-41254221878129765882013-01-11T17:41:39.393-07:002013-01-11T17:41:39.393-07:00Thx, Jon. But the problem with universalists is w...Thx, Jon. But the problem with universalists is when they tell somebody to go to hell, they don't really mean it.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-10310834193744282192013-01-11T16:37:05.899-07:002013-01-11T16:37:05.899-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-77755173649908850522013-01-11T16:36:46.989-07:002013-01-11T16:36:46.989-07:00This is one of my favorite posts of yours. A plea...This is one of my favorite posts of yours. A pleasure to read.<br /><br />Over at First Things they discussed the Economist on Hell and noted even very secularist and atheistic thinkers wish Osama Bin Laden rots in Hell. I left a comment noting I hope OBL rots in Hell; but I don't even think he deserves to stay there forever. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-87173278473837515012013-01-11T01:43:51.369-07:002013-01-11T01:43:51.369-07:00Hello... Good Blessing You
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