tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post6182484075181098890..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: James Burgh's QuaternityBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-42871925424022031692021-07-26T17:51:37.925-06:002021-07-26T17:51:37.925-06:00Why the Jefferson-Adams post-presidential correspo...Why the Jefferson-Adams post-presidential correspondence is worthless or nearly so. More probative is that they needed to hide these theological mumblings and bumblings [if not fabrications] from the American people.<br /><br />Historians study these because they exist, not for their probative value--sort of like looking for your keys over where the light's better. ;-)<br />Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-88948450024109537732021-07-22T06:38:12.561-06:002021-07-22T06:38:12.561-06:00http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2009/05/georg...http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2009/05/george-washingtonashbel-green-affair.htmlJonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-74391318204094304942021-07-22T06:36:09.096-06:002021-07-22T06:36:09.096-06:00I think the correspondence was published at the en...I think the correspondence was published at the end of their lives, or perhaps right after death. That's a footnote I need to brush up on.<br /><br />I know that Jefferson's letters were published by the end of Ashbel Green's life where Green went nuts because of what Jefferson said about him (accusing him of religious baiting George Washington). Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-27111175998798542592021-07-21T13:54:03.117-06:002021-07-21T13:54:03.117-06:00Why Adams on religion is worthless. It was not for...Why Adams on religion is worthless. It was not for nothing that he and Jefferson kept their dilettantish musings on theology secret--they were both quite out of their league.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-48288671031234761782021-07-14T12:00:50.207-06:002021-07-14T12:00:50.207-06:00You may be right. Adams may have mistakenly though...You may be right. Adams may have mistakenly thought the Catholics who ran Nicaea tried to vote the Virgin Mary into the Godhead but lost by a single suffrage. I would think Adams would have to be referring to Nicaea because that's the event where the doctrine of the Trinity was "carried" or I would say meant to be firmly established by council vote. <br /><br />It was much harder to do good history in 1812 than today. <br /><br />Elsewhere I've seen Adams under the misimpression that a corrupt Pope burned the original Hebrew of the biblical canon in the sense that it was then gone and hence unavailable. There really was a Pope who burned some Hebrew writings but not in the sense that Adams thought he did. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-46995474881345123732021-07-14T11:45:01.866-06:002021-07-14T11:45:01.866-06:00In context it seemed to me like it meant it pretty...In context it seemed to me like it meant it pretty literally, as he was talking about other things decided by a single vote, not about the Trinity<br />https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-5807<br />Joshua Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547641104849919219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-26944842992213951662021-07-14T11:37:57.026-06:002021-07-14T11:37:57.026-06:00I can't tell how serious Adams was being. He c...I can't tell how serious Adams was being. He clearly and bitterly rejected the Trinity; but I'm not sure if he actually meant to convey the existence of such a council. But if he did, it was Nicaea in 325AD. And again, if he did, he was simply mistaken about what Nicaea was all about. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-29500025697176550922021-07-14T11:30:57.561-06:002021-07-14T11:30:57.561-06:00Any idea what general council Adams could have bee...Any idea what general council Adams could have been referring to? Joshua Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01547641104849919219noreply@blogger.com