tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post5401919500744630803..comments2024-03-27T18:18:11.525-06:00Comments on American Creation: Berns v. JaffaBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-8248382743975496192015-01-14T17:06:01.334-07:002015-01-14T17:06:01.334-07:00A more controversial thesis of the East Coast Stra...A more controversial thesis of the East Coast Straussians is that the effect of modern liberalism traces back to Locke's classical liberalism put into practice and evolving over time.<br /><br />Therefore, they believe, we need to support the Constitution sans the natural rights of the Declaration in order to foster a more conservative politics.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-60824552034943314372015-01-14T16:46:49.373-07:002015-01-14T16:46:49.373-07:00Aye.
Having hung with the EC Straussians at the Y...Aye.<br /><br />Having hung with the EC Straussians at the Yahoo "list," I can say their interest in actual history ends with the rise of Augustus Caesar.<br /><br />Their interest is in the history of philosophy, not the philosophy's effect on history, which is where Jaffa was coming from.<br /><br />Their interest is in Locke, Jaffa's in Lincoln.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-51415886317096935552015-01-14T15:11:32.988-07:002015-01-14T15:11:32.988-07:00One of the things that's tripping me up readin...One of the things that's tripping me up reading these back and forths is Berns & the East Coast Straussians whether they think the Founders purposefully followed an esoteric Locke (and I can't tell whether they argue that they did) seem hung up on a particular "logic" of Locke's formula.<br /><br />That is, they seem to argue, regardless of WHAT the founders understood they were doing (what Jaffa stresses -- that the Founders were not up to anything "esoteric") "such" is the logic of what they did.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-11534399467563255852015-01-14T15:07:57.096-07:002015-01-14T15:07:57.096-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-19144213573280672542015-01-14T14:07:15.674-07:002015-01-14T14:07:15.674-07:00Berns is disingenuous trying to pin everything Loc...Berns is disingenuous trying to pin everything Locke, stock and barrel on the Founders. His ideas were a framework, but not a Bible.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com