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Today's Evangelical is probably a fundamentalist, but that's a movement that originated at the turn of the 20th century as a reaction to theological liberalism and "critical theory" that reduced the Bible to a heavily flawed and adulterated piece of literature.<br /><br />The problem with Gregg Frazer's argument is that he ascribes everything outside his own evangelical-fundamentalist Protestantism to secular Enlightenment, but Jonathan Edwards, the classic evangelical "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" fire and brimstone guy, was quite a fan of Locke. If anybody was a Christian, Edwards was!<br /><br />The thing is, the Reformation did not end with Luther and Calvin. It was a continuously evolving [and also liberalizing] jumble of theologies, and the historian-sociologist is not the one to decree which were Christian and which were not.<br /><br />In Calvin's time, unitarianism was a capital offense; by the time of the American revolution it was just one Protestant theology among many.<br /><br />Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-87199293338418875732020-04-20T16:10:41.334-06:002020-04-20T16:10:41.334-06:00“The word [jrb-deist] has become a loaded one. Ma...“The word [jrb-deist] has become a loaded one. Many people, from the outset, made it a bogey, a term of denigration for an “unbelief” they were targeting. Ezra Stiles, Yale’s president during the [jrb-American] Revolution complained:<br /><br /><i>’[Timothy Dwight] brings in the Roman Catholics and a number of Protestant erroneous divines as subserving the cause of Deism…. Calvinists think Arminians and Arians and Socinians subserve Deism. Arians and Socinians think Calvinists, President [Jonathan] Edwards and New Divinity all subserve Deism. The Church of England [subserve Deism].2’</i><br /><br />“The main point to begin with is that none of men [jrb-“chief founders of the nation”] listed by Miller [jrb-“legal scholar William Lee Miller], or comparable figures, was an Evangelical in the pre-Enlightened or resistant-to-Enlightenment sense.” 1<br /><br />1 Gary Wills, 2007. <i>Head and Heart: American Christianities</i> pp. 153-154.<br /><br />Note: subserve: to promote the welfare or purposes of<br />jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-20127402695246743712020-04-20T15:41:08.968-06:002020-04-20T15:41:08.968-06:00Thank you TVD for your kind and supportive encoura...Thank you TVD for your kind and supportive encouragement. <br /><br />And I agree with you that the term "deist" should be retired. Too vague and too ripe for tilting at windmills and building strawmen. <br /><br />But still, Christian Deist? Pick a lane. jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-55964428894890117852020-04-20T00:22:48.288-06:002020-04-20T00:22:48.288-06:00No tilting at windmills or strawmen here.
Mark Da...No tilting at windmills or strawmen here.<br /><br />Mark David Hall's citation and refutation of two of America's most best-known history commentators--Gordon Wood and Garry Wills--alone make his book and thesis invaluable.<br /><br /><br /><br />“The Founding Fathers were at most deists—they believed God created the world, then left it alone to run . . .” Gordon Wood, American Heritage Magazine<br /><br /><br />“The reaction to the Great Awakening provided an American Unitarian boost that made Deism the religion of the educated class by the middle of the eighteenth century. Legal scholar William Lee Miller writes that the chief founders of the nation were all Deists—he lists Washington, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, and Paine, though many more leaders of the founding era could be added . . .” Garry Wills, Head and Heart: A History of Christianity in America <br /><br /><br />Paine? Migod, Paine argued the Bible extensively in "Common Sense." Read for yourself.<br /><br />https://americancreation.blogspot.com/2010/04/thomas-paines-common-sense-as-heard-by.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-85668064530505393192020-04-19T23:47:10.706-06:002020-04-19T23:47:10.706-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-53037019127275681262020-04-19T08:14:39.885-06:002020-04-19T08:14:39.885-06:00Joseph Waligore*, who I believe has commented here...Joseph Waligore*, who I believe has commented here in the past, presents a case for “Christian Deism.” I believe that he applies this construct to some of the founders.<br /><br />Please discuss.<br /><br />https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21692327.2014.959543?journalCode=rjpt20<br /><br />*Senior Lecturer in Philosophy and Religious Studies at the University of Wisconsin – Stevens Point.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.com