tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post5241048835513316604..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Gordon Wood on the Current Christian Nation Controversy, Part DeuxBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-10849880307880928562010-06-01T17:58:57.769-06:002010-06-01T17:58:57.769-06:00.
But, it is my business.
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I bought the internet ....<br />But, it is my business.<br />.<br />I bought the internet last week.<br />.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-22057754711557163542010-06-01T17:25:16.584-06:002010-06-01T17:25:16.584-06:00Pinky, Pinky, I know you are an adult so please ac...Pinky, Pinky, I know you are an adult so please act like one and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-6180567699923793062010-06-01T17:19:25.610-06:002010-06-01T17:19:25.610-06:00I'm talking about you telling Tom to bug someo...I'm talking about you telling Tom to bug someone else.<br />.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-44410227713792172572010-06-01T16:19:33.185-06:002010-06-01T16:19:33.185-06:00My problem was with Palermo's original quote-c...My problem was with Palermo's original quote-clip, which didn't faithfully relate Wood's full argument. [Which is far more elegant and interesting than Palermo's lazy drawing of equivalency between "both" sides.]<br /><br />As for your dismissal of me, I find it disappointing, hurtful, and unnecessary. Should you read and want to discuss Wood's essay, I will not consider it bugful.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-7007597675401308792010-06-01T15:57:15.515-06:002010-06-01T15:57:15.515-06:00Wood's quote does support my argument. You ju...Wood's quote does support my argument. You just don't see it. And frankly, I don't care what your take is on it. Like I said, go bug somebody else.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-24738450757864938122010-06-01T15:45:55.717-06:002010-06-01T15:45:55.717-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-85775547202189391322010-06-01T15:43:38.745-06:002010-06-01T15:43:38.745-06:00.
Come on, Brad.
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That puts me in the barrel.
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P....<br />Come on, Brad.<br />.<br />That puts me in the barrel.<br />.<br />Poppy Bush always warned against that.<br />.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-1459185401793995542010-06-01T15:43:38.746-06:002010-06-01T15:43:38.746-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-22703119663759405102010-06-01T15:42:02.306-06:002010-06-01T15:42:02.306-06:00Brad, I put your post in its original context, wha...Brad, I put your post in its original context, what Gordon Wood was actually saying. You used him as support, but his full essay doesn't support your argument. And smacks Meacham down pretty strongly, for Wood.<br /><br />Sorry to distract you from culture war, though. Looks like that's where our Terrible Twos are taking us, the abandonment of fact for opinion, of light for heat.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-14068535374835318952010-06-01T15:30:33.158-06:002010-06-01T15:30:33.158-06:00Or sometimes a quote is just a quote, Tom.
You to...Or sometimes a quote is just a quote, Tom.<br /><br />You totally took my post in a direction it wasn't intended. <br /><br />Bored, go bug somebody else.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-2176193697783421702010-06-01T15:28:19.316-06:002010-06-01T15:28:19.316-06:00Brad, Brad, why dost thou persecute me?
You quote...Brad, Brad, why dost thou persecute me?<br /><br />You quoted Jon Meacham approvingly.<br /><br />http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2010/05/gordon-wood-on-current-christian-nation.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-29257926728353117842010-06-01T15:18:32.615-06:002010-06-01T15:18:32.615-06:00Whom I quote approvingly? I see you dusted off yo...Whom I quote approvingly? I see you dusted off your old crystal ball again!Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-91908848846556748012010-06-01T15:07:49.410-06:002010-06-01T15:07:49.410-06:00My reason for posting this was to correct a misimp...My reason for posting this was to correct a misimpression of what Gordon Wood was really saying in his essay. Your/Fea's/Palermo's excerpt identifies the symptom---the judicial culture wars---but not the cause. Wood's not exactly condemning "both" sides equally, and gives journalist [not historian] Jon Meacham, whom you quoted approvingly, a slap upside the head.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-62109812511103578372010-06-01T13:28:34.126-06:002010-06-01T13:28:34.126-06:00None of that is in dispute, Tom, nor was that my a...None of that is in dispute, Tom, nor was that my argument. But yes, I also agree with what you are saying.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-85895829188518541002010-06-01T13:01:20.861-06:002010-06-01T13:01:20.861-06:00Good job on the tea thing and Lillback, Gregg. De...Good job on the tea thing and Lillback, Gregg. Devastating.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-56348660406512157662010-06-01T12:33:49.464-06:002010-06-01T12:33:49.464-06:00I cannot pass up an opportunity to agree with Tom....I cannot pass up an opportunity to agree with Tom.<br /><br />20th-century jurisprudence regarding the Establishment Clause is, indeed, faulty and based on a fiction.<br /><br />The Establishment Clause, of course, limits only Congress and leaves states and local governments to do whatever they want regarding religion. Also, as we have all argued here, the framers believed that RELIGION (albeit not necessarily Christianity) was crucial to a free society. They did not want to divest the public realm of any and all religion.Gregg Frazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16883853316391723287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-7117937392708994662010-06-01T11:26:25.633-06:002010-06-01T11:26:25.633-06:00Gordon Wood [from the same essay]:
"We do no...Gordon Wood [from the same essay]:<br /><br /><i>"We do not, and cannot, base American constitutional jurisprudence on the historical reality of the Founding. Our constitutional jurisprudence accepts a fiction involving the Founders’ intent—it may have become a necessary legal fiction as the country’s laws have taken shape but it is a fiction nonetheless."</i><br /><br />Let's just be clear that the 20th century post-<i>Everson</i> judicial secularization of America is based on a fiction.<br /><br />The truth shall set you free.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-49486603248184603682010-06-01T06:19:47.485-06:002010-06-01T06:19:47.485-06:00.
So, is it the main point being made, that it is ....<br />So, is it the main point being made, that it is impossible to solve America's current problems by looking back in history at the Founding?<br />.<br />And, is it also that America's current problem is the result of the Culture Wars? Or is it that these different views of America's Founding confuse the issue? Or the differences in opinion of history's scholars? Or is it just something else?<br />.<br />Maybe you could be concise?<br />.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-60592563348973688912010-06-01T03:29:27.593-06:002010-06-01T03:29:27.593-06:00Not relevant to the main point being made.Not relevant to the main point being made.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.com