tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post4612561414255136697..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Charles J. Reid on Brian Tierney IIBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-39995983841076773822010-08-28T15:04:37.499-06:002010-08-28T15:04:37.499-06:00Cheers.Cheers.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-74526028213314826532010-08-28T14:42:55.738-06:002010-08-28T14:42:55.738-06:00and KoI and Jon Rowe...and KoI and Jon Rowe...craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-83142002887578576762010-08-28T14:41:23.400-06:002010-08-28T14:41:23.400-06:00you and me broyou and me brocraignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-39506270381591321882010-08-28T14:06:28.402-06:002010-08-28T14:06:28.402-06:00OK, Craig, I'll take you at face value, as one...OK, Craig, I'll take you at face value, as one of the few undisingenuous people on the internet.<br /><br />Sorry, man. Rock on.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-73148974321033457112010-08-28T11:50:54.043-06:002010-08-28T11:50:54.043-06:00"He said, "The greatest commandment, lov..."He said, "The greatest commandment, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." I wonder why the golden rule gets so much cred but it seems the first commandment gains no mention."<br /><br />It does around here. I have written on this vital connection numerous times. So much so that people get made at me about it. The Western idea of rights that made it into America is grounded in man honoring his fellow man out of reverance for God. <br /><br />Those that want to ignore this leave the first part out. Locke didn't. :)King of Irelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793825722325763371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-18329172618301758302010-08-28T11:05:51.300-06:002010-08-28T11:05:51.300-06:00THanks. I was looking for documentary evidence to...THanks. I was looking for documentary evidence to that specific passage. Another thing I just thought of wrt the golden rule is the point Jesus made just before "Love your neighbor as yourself." He said, "The greatest commandment, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." I wonder why the golden rule gets so much cred but it seems the first commandment gains no mention.craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-2090503724440495472010-08-28T09:22:52.832-06:002010-08-28T09:22:52.832-06:00That is a pretty fairly well know passage Craig so...That is a pretty fairly well know passage Craig so yea it probably has had dome influence on Western Culture. Since most Americans at the time attended a church it probably had some influence here as well. How much I am not sure anyone knows. There are numerous other espistle exhortations on character that were probably cited quite regularly as well.King of Irelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793825722325763371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-62786286858489156542010-08-28T04:49:39.724-06:002010-08-28T04:49:39.724-06:00Obviously we process differently or something. I ...Obviously we process differently or something. I was just looking for an opinion on this. I thought there might be a possibility of a correlation, but I am no where near as well read as this group. I'm not trying to ambush anyone with a trick question or a priori thinking or such. btw, craig is my first name.craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-14062798174347937362010-08-28T03:23:11.243-06:002010-08-28T03:23:11.243-06:00Mr. Craig, I suppose the answer to your question i...Mr. Craig, I suppose the answer to your question is either yes or no. Or maybe it's maybe.<br /><br />You seem to have an answer in mind; please, just give it and spare us the suspense.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-19034237822745337132010-08-27T18:18:53.515-06:002010-08-27T18:18:53.515-06:00Getting at? I wa asking a question. Could the li...Getting at? I wa asking a question. Could the list of quals that I cited have been influential in the formation of our concept of character beyond the generalities of the golden rule?craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-4546932018697037102010-08-27T13:43:37.432-06:002010-08-27T13:43:37.432-06:00Yup.Yup.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-88608996695233593452010-08-27T12:59:33.584-06:002010-08-27T12:59:33.584-06:00Not sure what you are getting at Craig.Not sure what you are getting at Craig.King of Irelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793825722325763371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-69198234049046300842010-08-27T12:58:55.619-06:002010-08-27T12:58:55.619-06:00Gratian was the person who put together Roman, Bib...Gratian was the person who put together Roman, Biblical, and Canon law. Most people have never heard of him because we do not study this stuff anymore. He was very relevant in the development of Western thought.<br /><br />I assume you are being sarcastic here Tom to point out the absurdity of the Harvard Narrative?King of Irelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11793825722325763371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-44684336001438756952010-08-27T10:33:04.527-06:002010-08-27T10:33:04.527-06:00Golden rule comes up fairly often. I wonder if qu...Golden rule comes up fairly often. I wonder if quals for overseers and deacons in I Timothy 3 was influential. I know when I join an organization such as a church, I don't want to be a second citizen or ineligible for office. I Timothy sets a standard and includes being hospitable and not quarrelsome unlike the admin at similar sites:<br /><br />1Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer,[a] he desires a noble task. 2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap. <br /> 8Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. 9They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. 10They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons. <br /><br /> 11In the same way, their wives[b] are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything. <br /><br /> 12A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well. 13Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Christ Jesus.craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-57516090045798073262010-08-26T22:49:27.598-06:002010-08-26T22:49:27.598-06:00Gratian? Who he????
Never heard of him. He must ...Gratian? Who he????<br /><br />Never heard of him. He must be irrelevant.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com