tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post3881026545661035711..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: America's Shifting Religious IdentityBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-90975828597032814562009-03-11T15:50:00.000-06:002009-03-11T15:50:00.000-06:00Strauss helps us change our thinking. That's wonde...<I>Strauss helps us change our thinking. </I><BR/><BR/>That's wonderful news, Phil.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-32299378465982318782009-03-11T15:40:00.000-06:002009-03-11T15:40:00.000-06:00.Ever ride a bus, Tom?.You get off at the next sto....<BR/>Ever ride a bus, Tom?<BR/>.<BR/>You get off at the next stop.<BR/>.<BR/>I agree with Strauss quite often. How can a person not agree with such good sense. I don't ever remember reading an author that goes to such ends to make any point. Strauss helps us change our thinking. <BR/>.<BR/>And, yeah, I finished that book you're reading a month or so ago.<BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-52297630380484374812009-03-11T15:24:00.000-06:002009-03-11T15:24:00.000-06:00YOU disagree with Strauss, Phil, since you believe...YOU disagree with Strauss, Phil, since you believe in "human progress" and he does not. Nor do I think you'd enjoy his constant disparagement of the modernity you so continually espouse.<BR/><BR/>Unless, of course, he's getting to you...<BR/><BR/>;-)Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-18840725298727860402009-03-11T06:26:00.000-06:002009-03-11T06:26:00.000-06:00.Admiration and agreement are two different things....<BR/>Admiration and agreement are two different things.<BR/>.<BR/>But, it is difficult to disagree with Strauss's conclusions. At least, when he expresses them.<BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-4174648364753450432009-03-10T23:22:00.000-06:002009-03-10T23:22:00.000-06:00Nice, Phil. I have my own objections to NRH, alon...Nice, Phil. I have my own objections to NRH, along Voegelin's lines. [Although they had a correspondence and agreed that Locke was decidedly radical and unChristian!]<BR/><BR/>I don't know if you mentioned you've read the collection "What is Political Philosophy?" I've only recently got into it, but it provides a groundwork [and a bit of a shortcut] to Strauss' baseline and approach.<BR/><BR/>I meself am bowled over with Strauss' approach and method of "close reading" and often employ it here on this blog. [See my Ben Franklin piece.]<BR/><BR/>However, I don't accept his conclusions, and Voegelin didn't either, complaining that Strauss' reductionism and elision of Christianity made his ontology too "compact."<BR/><BR/>Oh, and Voegelin <I>hated</I> Locke and wrote he shouldn't even be considered a philosopher.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-65217425159598517722009-03-10T10:34:00.000-06:002009-03-10T10:34:00.000-06:00.Tom, I wouldn't respond to your words except that....<BR/>Tom, I wouldn't respond to your words <B>except </B>that you make an assumption about what I understand and what I don't. I DO know the difference; but, in the final analysis the two amount to the same thing that is currently driving the so-called "pro-life" movement. I also mentioned that I grew up in an era that was heavily influenced by that thinking.<BR/>.<BR/>BTW, I'm well into <A HREF="http://www.amazon.ca/Natural-Right-History-Leo-Strauss/dp/0226776948" REL="nofollow">my third Strauss book.</A><BR/>. <BR/>I am beginning to not only like; but, to admire his thinking.<BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-30215398714959660422009-03-10T02:12:00.000-06:002009-03-10T02:12:00.000-06:00Unsurprising. Tocqueville predicted that Roman Ca...Unsurprising. Tocqueville predicted that Roman Catholicism was the only reasonable religion for America to follow.<BR/><BR/>;-D<BR/><BR/>[AM I A HINDU apparently misses the distinction between monotheism, on which America was indisputably founded, and other theologies. Pinky apparently approves, but we've learned to expect that from him. Pinky also professes his theological ignorance on the nature of Onan's sin, which wasn't about masturbation.<BR/><BR/>So I'm not surprised at his animus against a religion he so clearly misapprehends. I would, in his shoes, too.]Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-74315015774108987262009-03-09T21:05:00.000-06:002009-03-09T21:05:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-52442975392141299122009-03-09T18:01:00.000-06:002009-03-09T18:01:00.000-06:00.Goodness, gracious.\.The voice of reason and here....<BR/>Goodness, gracious.\<BR/>.<BR/>The voice of reason and here in the wilderness.<BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-84742502448701029312009-03-09T17:53:00.000-06:002009-03-09T17:53:00.000-06:00President Reagan once said that he did not leav...President Reagan once said that <B>he did not leave the Democratic Party; the party left him.</B> Similarly, most who leave religions are saying almost the same . They did not leave their religion. Their religion left them."<BR/><BR/>Truth and God are universal. No religion, no country has monopoly on it. If every religion frankly state that fact and respect all other religions, all those people who left religions will come back to their respective religions. <BR/><BR/>For example, even an atheist has the right to condemn Hinduism [ Hindu Culture which is not a religion] in the market and still proclaim he or she is a Hindu and NOT even one Hindu scripture states Hinduism has monopoly on salvation or truth. <BR/><BR/>Religions are mere paths. They are NOT the final goal. <B> Spiritual maturity and Self Realization are the final goals.</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-69439057904017207452009-03-09T17:52:00.000-06:002009-03-09T17:52:00.000-06:00Dan makes orthodox Christians look very creepy. H...Dan makes orthodox Christians look very creepy. He comes off, in my opinion, as a terrible witness for that faith. Dan could learn from Brian.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-6061066261772371672009-03-09T17:48:00.000-06:002009-03-09T17:48:00.000-06:00."For our nation to be happy with the systematic M....<BR/>"<I>For our nation to be happy with the systematic MURDER of unborn babies and to sanction the marriage of GAY people is a slap in the face to every single founding father who would have cringed at such evil notions.</I>"<BR/>.<BR/><BR/>And, what about the sin of Onan--spilling one's seed on the ground. When will you be ranting against masturbation as killing the unborn?<BR/>.<BR/>I remember growing up in such a world.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-17644728170543973512009-03-09T17:01:00.000-06:002009-03-09T17:01:00.000-06:00Hello there, Dan! Let me be the first to extend a...Hello there, Dan! Let me be the first to extend a welcome back to our hard-core religious extremist!Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-61361975026286097012009-03-09T16:44:00.000-06:002009-03-09T16:44:00.000-06:00Well I for one am not surprised. This is a sign o...Well I for one am not surprised. This is a sign of the times. America is losing its Christian heritage and as a result losing itself. It's a sad, sad commentary on our nation. Is it any wonder why same-sex marriage is gaining ground at the same time? I think not. One a nation loses its religious bearings all sorts of evil enters in. I know I will be attacked for this but I must speak up. The bastardization of the Constitution has gone on long enough. Only a repentant heart will return this nation to its rightful place...AS A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!<BR/><BR/>I am so very disappointed in these findings, and I am sure many will praise them as America becoming "enlightened" or shaking of the "chains" of "biased" religion. To those of that sentiment, my heart goes out to you. For our nation to be happy with the systematic MURDER of unborn babies and to sanction the marriage of GAY people is a slap in the face to every single founding father who would have cringed at such evil notions. <BR/><BR/>I could go on. It's just such a sad, sad reality that America is losing its way. Is it any wonder that we suffer from horrible crime and drug rates, that divorce is skyrocketing, that gays keep demanding their "equal" rights, that babies are killed (more than the Holocaust), that we are a fat, in debt, lazy, inept, selfish and rude nation? <BR/><BR/>I think not. God FORGIVE America!Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08651644206676169569noreply@blogger.com