tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post3525111792209267885..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Madison's wisdom on pluralism, federalism and libertyBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-4509077281661362742010-11-15T12:47:29.666-07:002010-11-15T12:47:29.666-07:00Sweet! Glad we are on the same page!
Cheers!Sweet! Glad we are on the same page!<br /><br />Cheers!Mark D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05000893614655251587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-51643766616319418872010-11-15T11:26:33.183-07:002010-11-15T11:26:33.183-07:00All that was my point, Mark. You got it. Madison...All that was my point, Mark. You got it. Madison didn't really carry the First Amendment question, and they dropped "national" from the phrasing because they believed it was a <i>federal</i> government.<br /><br />After ratification, the word "national" wasn't used. "General" government was a term of choice.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-44711900990589636332010-11-15T11:22:00.935-07:002010-11-15T11:22:00.935-07:00Tom,
Interesting stuff, but I don't see its r...Tom,<br /><br />Interesting stuff, but I don't see its relevance Madison's point in the The Federalist. <br /><br />I also don't tend to the see the point in looking at Madison's personal views about church-state separation when deciding how the First Amendment should be applied. The First Amendment gains its power not from Madison's ideas but from its legal enactment by the Congress and by the ratifying States. It is the wording of the Amendment that is critical, not Madison's own views -- especially not his own views expressed long after ratification. <br /><br />And the wording of the Amendment, not to mention its legal effect at the time of ratification, was to apply strictly to the national government, not to the States. It was only after the 14th Amendment was ratified that the 1st Amendment's guarantees were enforceable against the States.Mark D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05000893614655251587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-3040627777390315792010-11-14T20:06:28.741-07:002010-11-14T20:06:28.741-07:00http://candst.tripod.com/madnational.htmhttp://candst.tripod.com/madnational.htmTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.com