tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post330830989001849541..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: When Historians Attack: Harvard's Dr. Joyce ChaplinBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-25801521299948588172017-06-10T17:34:57.492-06:002017-06-10T17:34:57.492-06:00posted simultaneously
http://americancreation.blo...posted simultaneously<br /><br />http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2017/06/mdh-on-when-america-became-united.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-73805172700912541962017-06-06T19:23:15.437-06:002017-06-06T19:23:15.437-06:00A few years ago I wrote a book chapter on how the ...A few years ago I wrote a book chapter on how the USSC has used the Declaration of Independence. One of the things I learned was that Justices have been crystal clear that America became a sovereign nation on July 4, 1776. Great Britain, however, claims that we did not become independent until the Treaty of Paris. I'm with the Supremes on this one. Mark David Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518091405242866438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-81322871834821764022017-06-06T02:34:04.244-06:002017-06-06T02:34:04.244-06:00Not sure of the relevance of that to the current c...Not sure of the relevance of that to the current crisis, or if at 16, the glib young Franklin is actually making a coherent argument here.<br /><br />http://www.masshist.org/database/658?mode=transcript<br /><br />In the context Franklin wrote it--religion--but taking the quote itself sans its historical context, I wonder if Franklin's studied vagueness was as influential as George Whitefield's zeal.<br /><br /><br />Whitefield was no small potatoes.<br /><br />George Whitefield: America's Spiritual Founding Father<br /><br />by Thomas S. Kidd<br /><br /><br />https://www.amazon.com/George-Whitefield-Americas-Spiritual-Founding/dp/0300223587Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-23092594002991242422017-06-05T13:28:45.519-06:002017-06-05T13:28:45.519-06:00Maybe we can align the historical with the contemp...Maybe we can align the historical with the contemporary a la Franklin:<br /><br />"All I would endeavor to shew is, That an indiscreet Zeal for spreading Opinion, hurts the Cause of the Zealot." (New-England Courant, Oct. 8, 1722)JMSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-20073760642767672512017-06-03T07:43:54.767-06:002017-06-03T07:43:54.767-06:00Twitter: Eliding the intricacies and nuances of h...Twitter: Eliding the intricacies and nuances of history and the law of nations, 140 characters at a time.<br /><br />A few thoughts.<br /><br />1. International recognition is merely one factor in one version of international law's conception of statehood, and does not bear the weight Chaplin's loose and simplistic rhetoric places on it. Suggesting that recognition "create[s]" sovereign states--whether now or in the 18th century--is roughly as accurate as crediting a building code inspector with constructing the house.<br /><br />2. Having said that, I would expand on Cost's fourth point about the international community. France, Sweden, and the Netherlands, at least, were not merely lined up with the Americans against the British Crown. They signed formal treaties with the United States <i>before</i> the Treaty of Paris was concluded in 1783. It's almost as though Chaplin is arguing that the United States needed some sort of permission from London specifically before declaring and exercising sovereignty.<br /><br />3. The U.S. Code's list of Organic Laws includes the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, Northwest Ordinance, and Constitution. Nothing about the Treaty of Paris.Lex Latahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368512728895523199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-73763374424792957662017-06-03T07:34:20.542-06:002017-06-03T07:34:20.542-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lex Latahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368512728895523199noreply@blogger.com