tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post209396456749024968..comments2024-03-27T18:18:11.525-06:00Comments on American Creation: Frazer's Defense ContinuedBrad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-58402523865621724532020-05-20T22:47:28.399-06:002020-05-20T22:47:28.399-06:00I was scrolling the internet like every day, there...I was scrolling the internet like every day, there I found this article which is related to my interest. The way you covered the knowledge about the subject and the <a href="thesage.co.in" rel="nofollow"> best group in bhopal<br /> </a> was worth to read, it undoubtedly cleared my vision and thoughts towards <a href="thesage.co.in" rel="nofollow"> Best group in Bhopal<br /> </a>. Your writing skills and the way you portrayed the examples are very impressive. The knowledge about <a href="thesage.co.in" rel="nofollow"> best group in Bhopal<br /> </a> is well covered. Thank you for putting this highly informative article on the internet which is clearing the vision about who are making an impact in the real estate sector by building such amazing townships.<br />thesagegrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776919479165171856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-13087146954063410162020-03-14T09:29:28.081-06:002020-03-14T09:29:28.081-06:00Okay...
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Because of the theological splintering spawned by the Protestant Reformation, any national consensus on the Christian religion was impossible.<br /><br />Therefore using the Bible or Calvinist theology as a basis for a [Lockean?] social contract between the states was a non-starter. <br /><br /><br />[At this point, I must object to a lack of rigor in Dr. Frazer's essay here<br /><br /><i>Mark does not mention that, according to Lutz’s study, there were more Locke citations than to all Reformed thinkers combined and that Locke is mentioned in 19 of the 28 pages of Lutz’s chapter on important influences.</i><br /><br /><br />First, that "Reformed" has a strict meaning in this context, that of Calvinistic political theology. "The Reformers" applies to the entire panoply of Protestant sects, and arguably even the loose cannons without established churches<br /><br /><br />Second, here Gregg conflates Donald Lutz's statistical analysis of Founding-era textual references with Lutz's more subjective opinions on the <i>influences</i> of the Founders. <br /><br />How much Locke or Montesquieu or Vittel [!] influenced the Constitution is still a matter of great scholarly debate, and more under the purview of those more versed in political philosophy than Gregg is, or that Hall ever claims to be.<br /><br />At this point Gregg is engaging in what we here at American Creation used to call "duelling scholars," a fruitless exercise. One can always find a scholar somewhere to agree with you. But this is Argument from Authority, and fortunately for American Creation, we have largely dispensed with it.<br /><br />We have come to insist on source texts and direct quotes, needless to say in context.<br /><br /><br />One of the few direct quotes Gregg uses here is<br /><br /><i>In order to try to support his claim that “the founders drew heavily from Christian ideas when they crafted America’s constitutional order,” he must try to prove that the claim that “the Constitution’s framers were influenced by rationalist, Enlightenment ideas” is “overstated and misleading.” In order to do that, he must try to discount and diminish John Locke’s influence. </i><br /><br /><br />and I think his challenge has worth--although I would not put all my chips on Locke in some either/or with the Bible as to the vitiating philosophy of the Constitution. <br /><br />Perhaps the correct answer is neither. Mr. Frazer should not want to get caught up on the horns of his own dilemma.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-14643317623259011542020-01-26T12:19:09.391-07:002020-01-26T12:19:09.391-07:00My pleasure and thanks for being a faithful reader...My pleasure and thanks for being a faithful reader and commenter. Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-71278249156040568172020-01-26T11:18:03.138-07:002020-01-26T11:18:03.138-07:00First of all I'd like to thank you, Jon, for h...First of all I'd like to thank you, Jon, for hosting this ongoing dialogue. Of course, I'd also like to thank Mark and Gregg for sharing.<br /><br />I saw Mark in Louisville, KY, when he spoke along with Andrew Seidel,author of <i>The Founding Myth - Why Christian Nationalism is Un-American.</i> I have finished Seidel's book and will shortly launch into Mark's.<br /><br />After this exchange, I don't know how not to include <i>God Against the Revolution</i> on the Books to Read list. I will try to pry open a space on the shelf next to Maya Jasanoff's <i>Liberty's Exiles.</i><br /><br />Well done.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.com