tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post2028804027216022058..comments2024-03-27T18:18:11.525-06:00Comments on American Creation: Was America Founded on the "Works" of Man?Brad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-33025910578883448062009-03-18T12:33:00.000-06:002009-03-18T12:33:00.000-06:00.How dumb can I get..I bought a book on the Foundi....<BR/>How dumb can I get.<BR/>.<BR/>I bought a book on the Founding and Free Masonry and didn't check it out first.<BR/><BR/>When the book arrived, I saw that David Barton is the author! <BR/><BR/>In spite of that, I am satisfied with it..<BR/><BR/>Why? Because it shows Barton up to be a person who twists the truth to say what he wants to be said.<BR/><BR/>As a 32nd degree Mason, a Noble of the Mystic Shrine, and a Knight Templar, I know that some of foundations on which he bases his "truths" is false.<BR/><BR/>Yet, he creates a perspective that helps us understand just how much Masonry was involved in the thinking of many of the Founders.<BR/><BR/>I have gained greater disrespect for Barton than ever before. The man is a charlatan.<BR/><BR/>I'll work on my paper.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-1457372033725219792009-03-10T19:18:00.000-06:002009-03-10T19:18:00.000-06:00.Seeing as we've brought the F&AM into thi....<BR/>Seeing as we've brought the F&AM into this discussion, it might be of itnerest to note that American Masons set themselves apart from the Loyalists according to some oral history.<BR/>.<BR/><BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-24840295591719017052009-03-10T16:16:00.000-06:002009-03-10T16:16:00.000-06:00Well, Jon, my core counterargument is that grace i...Well, Jon, my core counterargument is that grace is synonymous with Providence, and Lord knows the Founders spoke of Providence endlessly.<BR/><BR/>[The closing argument about today's America is admittedly gratuitous opinion.]Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-47066623410489392052009-03-10T15:23:00.000-06:002009-03-10T15:23:00.000-06:00Oh Tom...don't get your panties in a knot!Oh Tom...don't get your panties in a knot!Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05504032868942862532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-88435299271764437392009-03-10T14:15:00.000-06:002009-03-10T14:15:00.000-06:00Even if I don't see exactly eye to eye with the po...Even if I don't see exactly eye to eye with the point, the post was very well written nonetheless.Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-2286910631647005182009-03-10T02:04:00.000-06:002009-03-10T02:04:00.000-06:00Well, I'm sure glad I wrote this post on the Freem...Well, I'm sure glad I wrote this post on the Freemasons. Thx for the comments!Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-50275847664049387132009-03-09T16:18:00.000-06:002009-03-09T16:18:00.000-06:00Ok then. We will look forward to your future post...Ok then. We will look forward to your future post!Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-88128278962229086872009-03-09T15:50:00.000-06:002009-03-09T15:50:00.000-06:00.Yes, Brad..I just ordered a book on Masonry and t....<BR/>Yes, Brad.<BR/>.<BR/>I just ordered a book on Masonry and the Founding. When I have a chance to get into the book, I'll do a report for you.<BR/>.<BR/>I know that Masonry claims it had a major role in America's Founding and, in particular, as a result of its secret nature.<BR/>.<BR/>Without any reference material, it would be almost impossible to say much of anything.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-79289356174475066962009-03-09T15:16:00.000-06:002009-03-09T15:16:00.000-06:00Thanks for the info on masonry, Pinky. Would you ...Thanks for the info on masonry, Pinky. Would you by chance be willing to make a post on masonry and the founding? It's a topic that we discuss very little of, and I would love to have your insight on the issue. Please consider it.<BR/><BR/>As for the oft-repeated argument of how religious were the founders, etc. I have considered the following: I DO NOT believe the founders (or the founding) to have been CHRISTIAN at their core, but perhaps they were CHRIST-LIKE.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-27701559595002073102009-03-09T09:00:00.000-06:002009-03-09T09:00:00.000-06:00.One of the main problems that comes up when we lo....<BR/>One of the main problems that comes up when we look to Masonry for answers about history has to do with the way information is handed down from one generation to the next. It's all oral and, even then, represented in secret ritual.<BR/>.<BR/>My "knowledge" comes from my masonic affiliations which would be considered hearsay. But, it must be possible to get some masonic history more readily than having to join the local masonic lodge in your community. <BR/>.<BR/>As long as any person is familiar with seeking out original source material, there must be a place where F.&.A.M. history can be found in secular accounts. <BR/>.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-92201782605817482622009-03-09T06:06:00.000-06:002009-03-09T06:06:00.000-06:00George Washington was Worshipful Master of the mai...George Washington was Worshipful Master of the main Masonic Lodge in the colonies.<BR/>.<BR/>One of the peculiarities of lodge work and thinking has to do with the way the members see the world in which they live. More so that was true than it is today when Free Masonry has fallen so far off its original tracking. The very room in which lodge meetings are held is seen as the world in which men live.<BR/><BR/>The prayer George Washington gives in the out take sounds like something a worshipful master would have given.<BR/>.<BR/>It seems that a strong case could be made that the U.S.A. was founded to be a Masonic Nation more so than a Christian Nation. There IS a big difference.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06756814849309388483noreply@blogger.com