tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post1219518232913243605..comments2024-03-28T10:44:30.518-06:00Comments on American Creation: Brad Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-89522339687012435312017-08-03T03:04:15.540-06:002017-08-03T03:04:15.540-06:00HOW I BECAME A MILLIONAIRE IN 14DAYS BY JOINING GR...HOW I BECAME A MILLIONAIRE IN 14DAYS BY JOINING GREAT ILLUMINATI SOCIETY ONLINE.<br />Am Christabel, am delighted to share with you how I became rich and famous just within 14days.<br />I have heard people saying you can become rich and famous by joining the Illuminati society but I never believed because I thought the society were only for musicians like Jay Z, Michael Jackson and other.<br />On a certain day I was on the internet I saw the official email address and Whatsapp number of the great Illuminati society online assistant agent responsible for registration. I contact him and he gave me guarantee that I will become rich once I join the society of Illuminati and that I will receive all my benefit after two weeks of registration which include a car, house, $1,000,000 to start up life and a monthly salary of $50,000 and a Golden box.<br />This is how i now become a millionaire in two weeks.<br />if you want to say good bye to poverty for life contact the online assistant on illuminatisociety2017@gmail.com or Whatsapp (+234)9028287911Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05547484301384183401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-34998421207378071402017-07-14T14:56:48.749-06:002017-07-14T14:56:48.749-06:00I made a small observation. You both misinterpret...I made a small observation. You both misinterpreted what I said and called me out for not being sufficiently critical of his work.<br /><br /><i>"with what are you 'engaging'?"</i><br /><br />I never said that <i>I</i> was engaging with his work. I said that the historians that are providing the critique of his work also give a favorable nod to Zin and/or, again in their own words, entered the field by engaging with his work. I thought that this was interesting. that is all. Ask <i>them</i> with what <i>they</i> engaged. Not me. Or, read the articles. Your rage is not my rage.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-33419168844089917952017-07-13T16:43:13.262-06:002017-07-13T16:43:13.262-06:00My apologies for being guilty of not raging suffic...<i>My apologies for being guilty of not raging sufficiently in support of your political correctness. </i><br /><br /><br />More pleasant to you than apologizing for puerile gamesmanship, I'm sure. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-48816243693728155462017-07-13T12:06:29.514-06:002017-07-13T12:06:29.514-06:00"You're not acknowledging what 'his w...<i>"You're not acknowledging what 'his work' was."</i><br /><br />And here we are. <br /><br />When you can't impeach what I said then impeach what I didn't say. <br /><br />My apologies for being guilty of not raging sufficiently in support of your political correctness. jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-26487367057062189032017-07-13T09:46:53.444-06:002017-07-13T09:46:53.444-06:00a debt to Zinn for getting into the field through ...<i>a debt to Zinn for getting into the field through engagement with his work. </i><br /><br />You're not acknowledging what 'his work' was. <br /><br />The bulk of his publications lacked an architecture of footnotes or endnotes and lacked a properly formatted bibliography as well. Take five issues of <i>The Nation</i>, put 'em between hard covers, and that's what you get. What's interesting is that for 20 years, trade presses and university presses issued his work. Did they ever make a dime off any of it? Memo to Ellen Schrecker: red-haze hacks were not rebels in 1970 (nor any time since). <br /><br />As for <i>A People's History...</i>, with what are you 'engaging'? His interpretive framework? It exists as a cautionary example.Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-32860303690159357042017-07-13T09:10:14.182-06:002017-07-13T09:10:14.182-06:00"Lip service."
Oh well. I was pulling ...<i>"Lip service."</i><br /><br />Oh well. I was pulling for him. jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-7828602975697985402017-07-12T18:36:34.855-06:002017-07-12T18:36:34.855-06:00Anonymous Art Deco said...
He published many vol...<i>Anonymous Art Deco said...<br /><br /><br />He published many volumes, of course, but none were histories derived from primary sources. The various editions of A People's History... were iterations of a cheap teaching text. He also produced many extended works of opinion journalism. His signature was the 'bibliographic essay' at the rear of the volume, where he sketches what he's been reading lately (newspapers and magazines, mostly). <br /><br />What's irritating is that serious historians who do original research (commonly involving a mastery of at least one foreign language) are commonly shunted off faculties like BU or off the faculty of teaching institutions which require a baseline of scholarship. <br /><br />And, of course, it came out after his death that he'd been a Communist Party member ca. 1947, of a type who attended political meetings several times a week. We're all supposed to take moral instruction from someone who was an adherent of the Joseph Stalin Press Agency. (Hey, Ellen Schrecker, isn't Zinn's personal odyssey over the period running from 1947 to 1959 somewhat...off message?). </i><br /><br />You rule, AD.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-9625724412412500272017-07-12T18:34:32.021-06:002017-07-12T18:34:32.021-06:00Anonymous jimmiraybob said...
"Guess who.&quo...<i>Anonymous jimmiraybob said...<br />"Guess who."<br /><br />I remember reading that at the time (or thereabouts), before he moved to his new place. If I had to guess I followed the road from here.<br /><br />Good. I guess that he passes the test?</i><br /><br />Lip service. Dr. Fea wrote a whole book that trashes Barton by name. That's where John lives.Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-80831179931440494972017-07-12T16:55:54.664-06:002017-07-12T16:55:54.664-06:00Art,
I am not making a defense of Zinn's acad...Art,<br /><br />I am not making a defense of Zinn's academic performance. As I said, "in their own words" some of those making the critiques acknowledge a debt to Zinn for getting into the field through engagement with his work. jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-7849591039870145732017-07-12T15:47:52.556-06:002017-07-12T15:47:52.556-06:00It's interesting that so many people providing...<i>It's interesting that so many people providing academic critiques of Zinn were, in there own words, drawn into the field of history by reading and engaging with his work.</i><br /><br />They weren't. He produced a biography of Fiorello LaGuardia and a couple of minor labor histories (with one of which he had the help of collaborators - IIRC, he was not the lead author). His biography of LaGuardia was an adaptation of his doctoral dissertation. That was his entire output of original research from 1955 until his death. And, yet, he had a tenured position at a research university. The academic job market was pretty soft for the first 3 decades after the war. <br /><br />He published many volumes, of course, but none were histories derived from primary sources. The various editions of <i>A People's History...</i> were iterations of a cheap teaching text. He also produced many extended works of opinion journalism. His signature was the 'bibliographic essay' at the rear of the volume, where he sketches what he's been reading lately (newspapers and magazines, mostly). <br /><br />What's irritating is that serious historians who do original research (commonly involving a mastery of at least one foreign language) are commonly shunted off faculties like BU or off the faculty of teaching institutions which require a baseline of scholarship. <br /><br />And, of course, it came out after his death that he'd been a Communist Party member ca. 1947, of a type who attended political meetings several times a week. We're all supposed to take moral instruction from someone who was an adherent of the Joseph Stalin Press Agency. (Hey, Ellen Schrecker, isn't Zinn's personal odyssey over the period running from 1947 to 1959 somewhat...<i>off message</i>?). <br /><br /><br />Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-44501793091879169242017-07-12T10:42:11.887-06:002017-07-12T10:42:11.887-06:00"Guess who."
I remember reading that at...<i>"Guess who."</i><br /><br />I remember reading that at the time (or thereabouts), before he moved to his new place. If I had to guess I followed the road from here.<br /><br />Good. I guess that he passes the test?jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-71534989313617589012017-07-11T12:59:17.142-06:002017-07-11T12:59:17.142-06:00#MoreSocialThanScience
cant disguised as scholars...#MoreSocialThanScience<br /><br />cant disguised as scholarship<br /><br /><i>Zinn writes well and is quite inspiring, but his book is bad history. In fact, I would not even call it history. A People's History of the United States is a political tract that uses the past to promote a presentist agenda. It is basically, to paraphrase the words of Bernard Bailyn, political indoctrination by historical example. Now I have no problem if Zinn wants to use the past to advance his leftist agenda. In fact, there is a lot I can agree with in Zinn's criticisms of his country. But please don't call this history and pass it off to students as a model of how to write history. Zinn's book violates virtually every rule of good historical thinking...</i><br /><br />Guess who.<br />http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2009/03/what-to-make-of-howard-zinn.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-77517803392021904332017-07-11T10:03:54.012-06:002017-07-11T10:03:54.012-06:00It's interesting that so many people providing...It's interesting that so many people providing academic critiques of Zinn were, in there own words, drawn into the field of history by reading and engaging with his work.<br /><br />It's like becoming a successful trumpet player by being inspired by Miles Davis and then critiquing his <i>Sketches of Spain</i>. He's still Miles Davis and the value of his work is still there.jimmiraybobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-29735585917375914172017-07-11T04:05:32.659-06:002017-07-11T04:05:32.659-06:00On a personal note, even though he wasn't a li...On a personal note, even though he wasn't a libertarian, I dig Zinn's archnemesis President Silber. There are very few people who revel in playing the role of the villain the institution loves to hate (because he makes decisions that the institution disagrees with). Yes Silber could be a total S.O.B. But he was also brilliant, competent, responsible and had a serious conscience. And for that he was extremely successful as President of B.U. (But his persona cost him the Gov. of Mass. election.) Jonathan Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079637406589278386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-81894629120471137252017-07-10T18:03:36.937-06:002017-07-10T18:03:36.937-06:00Ian F. Shield said...
That article probably would ...<i>Ian F. Shield said...<br />That article probably would not have appeared in TNR after Chris Hughes got rid of the editorial staff the following year.</i><br /><br />Quite. American liberalism ala The New Republic and Bill Clinton is dead, subsumed by leftism of the internationalist stripe. The problem is worse than one of politics. Leftism has conquered not just what, but <i>how</i> the academy thinks.<br /><br />http://www.ditext.com/searle/searle1.htmlTom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-44291333835797004672017-07-10T18:00:15.843-06:002017-07-10T18:00:15.843-06:00A lot of problems, errors/inaccuracies with that h...<i>A lot of problems, errors/inaccuracies with that hitjob piece.</i><br /><br />Read David Greenberg's response here.<br /><br />http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/151106#Greenberg<br /><br />See also<br /><br />Stanford Report, December 20, 2012<br /><b>Zinn's influential history textbook has problems, says Stanford education expert<br />Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" offers bad lessons in historical thinking, says School of Education Professor Sam Wineburg.</b><br /><br />http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/december/wineburg-historiography-zinn-122012.html<br /><br />The real problem of course, is that though David Barton's history is flawed, he has nowhere near the influence Howard Zinn and his acolytes have in the education establishment. Neither do Barton's critics seem terribly exercised about Zinn's crimes against history. Lip service at best.<br /><br />Tom Van Dykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121072404143877596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-75912722575981807962017-07-10T14:36:14.505-06:002017-07-10T14:36:14.505-06:00That article probably would not have appeared in T...That article probably would not have appeared in TNR after Chris Hughes got rid of the editorial staff the following year.djfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448255075063582987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1237087217187172116.post-32889792870239766542017-07-10T10:27:51.105-06:002017-07-10T10:27:51.105-06:00A lot of problems, errors/inaccuracies with that h...<a href="http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/151106" rel="nofollow">A lot of problems, errors/inaccuracies with that hitjob piece.</a><br /><br /><i>There is a "pretty lousy piece of work" on display in David Greenberg's article. But it is not a piece of work by Howard Zinn.</i>Naumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741963276339044331noreply@blogger.com